ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[jingsmonty]

Managed to catch one in the wild this evening! 1725 Inverness to Glasgow Queen Street

Lucky you - I was booked to work this one day last week & a 170 turned up

 

[chuff chuff]

The loco haulers around fife where possible have two guards.

 

[jingsmonty]

The loco haulers around fife where possible have two guards.

How many coaches do the Fife loco workings have?

 

[chuff chuff]

How many coaches do the Fife loco workings have?

Currently six if I remember correctly.

 

[jingsmonty]

Currently six if I remember correctly.

Not hugely different to a 4/5 coach HST (Mk2 coaches are shorter) then - probably a pretty good case could be made for 'doubling up' Conductors

 

[Rail Blues]

Not hugely different to a 4/5 coach HST (Mk2 coaches are shorter) then - probably a pretty good case could be made for 'doubling up' Conductors

Amd wgere will a cadre of guards fully trained on slam door HSTs emerge from? I guess Scotrail don't have fully trained up guards ready to double up sitting around twiddling their thumbs?

 

[BRX]

Lucky you - I was booked to work this one day last week & a 170 turned up

I wondered if it might have been you driving the one I filmed!

 

[ajrm]

Absolutely right, whoever this other member of staff is they need to be dispatch trained. No point saving time at the expense of safety!

Presumably, though, it is quite likely that they will be, since ScotRail station staff already dispatch LNER HSTs on the Aberdeen and Inverness lines.

 

[chuff chuff]

Presumably, though, it is quite likely that they will be, since ScotRail station staff already dispatch LNER HSTs on the Aberdeen and Inverness lines.

Yes but only at stations where the east coast services call,scotrail's hst's call at stations that east coast ones don't therefore staff at those stations are not trained in despatch of the types of train.

 

[BRX]

This path posted on the scot-rail gen list with speculation that it might be a pair of 43s off to collect the next set of refurbished coaches.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R00379/2019/03/15/advanced

 

[chuff chuff]

This path posted on the scot-rail gen list with speculation that it might be a pair of 43s off to collect the next set of refurbished coaches.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R00379/2019/03/15/advanced

Sure that run has been posted here already but as no.3 set has been pictured at wabtec with refurbished power cars not sure of the need to send more.

 

[43096]

Sure that run has been posted here already but as no.3 set has been pictured at wabtec with refurbished power cars not sure of the need to send more.

Because Wabtec need a pair of power cars to test trailers before they are released.

 

[jingsmonty]

I wondered if it might have been you driving the one I filmed!

Nah, afraid not!

 

[jingsmonty]

Because Wabtec need a pair of power cars to test trailers before they are released.

Exactly right - each refurbished rake of coaches needs 2 refurbished Power Cars to test & move them, as only the refurbished PCs have the Traction Interlock equipment fitted to work with the power doors.

The refurbished PCs working with the 'classic' sets have the Traction Interlock isolated (which caused problems one day last year when it was inadvertently reinstated with a slam door rake on the training train & brake release couldn't be obtained as a result...).

 

[jingsmonty]

Amd wgere will a cadre of guards fully trained on slam door HSTs emerge from? I guess Scotrail don't have fully trained up guards ready to double up sitting around twiddling their thumbs?

I'm not saying it's ever going to happen, I'm just stating a fact that 'Classic' HSTs with a Conductor & a trainee Conductor who's route learning managed noticeably quicker station dwell times.

You're right though - it's only a temporary thing, so Scotrail will just be winning to luve with long dwell times & less revenue collection for now.

Also, in contrast to LNER (& probably Cross Country toi), most Scotrail HSTs will be self dispatched by the Conductor, as opposed to the platform dispatchers (who would also assist with closing the doors). The Scotrail HSTs are that much shorter, which makes it possible (a 9 coach HST on a curved platfirm couldn't, realistically, be safely self dispatched).

 

[chuff chuff]

Because Wabtec need a pair of power cars to test trailers before they are released.

And as I said set no.3 has been pictured with a pair of refurbished power cars,now set no.4 perhaps.

 

[marks87]

And as I said set no.3 has been pictured with a pair of refurbished power cars,.

Yes, but if that set comes north then another pair of power cars is required for at least testing further trailers, even if they’re not coming north just yet.

 

[jingsmonty]

Yes, but if that set comes north then another pair of power cars is required for at least testing further trailers, even if they’re not coming north just yet.

Sounds right - according to Yammer, sets 4 -7 are currently 'in progress' - that's 8 refurbished Power Cars needed there...

 

[chuff chuff]

Yes, but if that set comes north then another pair of power cars is required for at least testing further trailers, even if they’re not coming north just yet.

Yes which is why in the full sentence I said "now set no.4 perhaps".

 

[marks87]

Yes which is why in the full sentence I said "now set no.4 perhaps".

It was a reference to your "And as I said", which referenced the post where you said that set 3 is already there with two power cars - as if dismissing the need for two more to go down there.

 

[jingsmonty]

Can confirm right now if a manned station has that member of staff free to dispatch the train they have to dispatch it. My dad raised this question shortly after they came in

That makes sense & glad to hear it. I'm sure any Conductor would appreciate a dispatcher, rather than self dispatching

 

[Iskra]

0833 Edinburgh-Inverness is a HST this morning

 

[jingsmonty]

A fine sight, thanks for posting. Even with all other things considered, as an HST enthusiast it warms the heart a just little that some of them will see out their days running in the beauty of the HML. A fitting retirement.

An HST on the HML just seems 'right' somehow - certainly 'right' as far as climbing gradients goes.... They are lovely machines to drive on the HML too - they get to stretch their legs a bit more than on the Aberdeen - Inverness line.

 

[jingsmonty]

0833 Edinburgh-Inverness is a HST this morning

You've just made my day, as that means the 1255 Inverness - Edinburgh (return working) should be an HST too

Also, the 0944 Inverness - Edinburgh was an HST too. Are we going to have a 'good' day for HSTs? Ultimately though, every day should be like that....

 

[Iskra]

You've just made my day, as that means the 1255 Inverness - Edinburgh (return working) should be an HST too

Also, the 0944 Inverness - Edinburgh was an HST too. Are we going to have a 'good' day for HSTs? Ultimately though, every day should be like that....

Glad to have done so. It appeared to be a mixed bag of FGW and the new livery too.

Just on the Southbound chieftain at Perth.

 

[BRX]

0833 Edinburgh-Inverness is a HST this morning

Passed this at Stanley jn. Have also noted there's a set sitting in the sidings at Perth. And there currently are some coaches at least in the shed at Inverness (there for training purposes?)

 

[Iskra]

0939 Glasgow Queen Street to Aberdeen also a HST.

 

[najaB]

Is the set that failed last week (43176/135 I think) very poorly? It made it to Dundee but doesn't seem to have moved since.

I got a bit of an answer - one PC was running last night and sounded like the other was started today so it may be leaving soon (or could already have left).

 

[jingsmonty]

I got a bit of an answer - one PC was running last night and sounded like the other was started today so it may be leaving soon (or could already have left).

Apparently one of the power cars had a battery charging issue

 

[jingsmonty]

You've just made my day, as that means the 1255 Inverness - Edinburgh (return working) should be an HST too

Also, the 0944 Inverness - Edinburgh was an HST too. Are we going to have a 'good' day for HSTs? Ultimately though, every day should be like that....

1725 Inverness to Glasgow QS should be an HST as well - passed a Northbound HST which arrives Inverness 1707 (to form 1725)