EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Why hasn't the EU done anything about the gig economy.

Being almost 74 years of age, certain words now in common usage such as "gig" in my more youthful days only were used when describing a light two-wheeled one-horse carriage.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Being almost 74 years of age, certain words now in common usage such as "gig" in my more youthful days only were used when describing a light two-wheeled one-horse carriage.

And have gone on to refer to a popular music concert...

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

And have gone on to refer to a popular music concert...

Thanks for that explanation of the word "gig".....is there now any modern use of the word "barouche"?

 

[DarloRich]

Thanks for that explanation of the word "gig".....is there now any modern use of the word "barouche"?

yes - they are known as horseless carriages these days

 

[SteveP29]

Why do Leavers so often have a poor grasp of English grammar?

Should it not have been Referenda?

 

[radamfi]

Should it not have been Referenda?

"Referendums" and "referenda" are both acceptable.

 

[nidave]

It makes their unemployment figures look good, and those who only have a passing interest are likely to take in what they're being told.
All in the name of looking more electable.

It's nothing to do with the eu. Its with the control of each nation to sort. Funny how people seem to pick and choose what they want the eu to solve.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

More evidence of how underhand parts of the organised Brexit campaign have been... link (Guardian)... It seems Lynton Crosby's lobbying company has been spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on ads to get people to lobby their MPs, while hiding their true source of funding so as to make it look like a grassroots people's campaign:

A series of hugely influential Facebook advertising campaigns that appear to be separate grassroots movements for a no-deal Brexit are secretly overseen by employees of Sir Lynton Crosby’s lobbying company and a former adviser to Boris Johnson, documents seen by the Guardian reveal.

The mysterious groups, which have names such as Mainstream Network and Britain’s Future, appear to be run independently by members of the public and give no hint that they are connected. But in reality they share an administrator who works for Crosby’s CTF Partners and have spent as much as £1m promoting sophisticated targeted adverts aimed at heaping pressure on individual MPs to vote for a hard Brexit.

Repeated questions have been raised about who is backing at least a dozen high-spending groups that have flooded MPs’ inboxes with calls to reject Theresa May’s deal, but until now they were thought to be independent entities.

But according to the documents, almost all the major pro-Brexit Facebook “grassroots” advertising campaigns in the UK share the same page admins or advertisers. These individuals include employees of CTF Partners and the political director of Boris Johnson’s campaigns to be mayor of London, who has worked closely with Crosby in the past.

 

[SteveP29]

It's nothing to do with the eu. Its with the control of each nation to sort. Funny how people seem to pick and choose what they want the eu to solve.

I've read the post wrongly, I wasn't expecting the EU to sort it out, I thought it did say the UK, which is why I quoted it and added my own comment

 

[Strat-tastic]

Thanks for that explanation of the word "gig".....is there now any modern use of the word "barouche"?

Yes, in a game of Scrabble

 

[Howardh]

Good news; even with no-deal travellers for short trips won't require Visas (now confirmed), after 2021 we may need to pay and fill in the on-line ETIAS though.

Bad news; especially for caravanners, there will be restrictions on certain types of food you will be able to take into the EU, such as hams/beef. Even before the EEC began my family could take virtually unlimited amounts of food in their caravan fridge to feed me on the way to Italy.

 

[A Challenge]

European Union Withdrawal Bill Second Reading:
Aye: 315
Noe: 310
Majority: 5

Moved onto committee of the whole house now

 

[404250]

Fairly pointless as despite her previous threats of no-deal, there's no way she would allow it and be known as the PM that caused no-deal Brexit.

 

[Howardh]

Fairly pointless as despite her previous threats of no-deal, there's no way she would allow it and be known as the PM that caused no-deal Brexit.

I really think if nothing goes through and there's no long extension, then at the very last minute faced with no-deal or revoke; May will revoke and resign with immediate effect. It must be 50/50.

 

[nlogax]

Looks like Labour's joining in the self-destruction party, albeit with quieter music. Emily Thornberry is insisting on a confirmatory referendum whereas Corbyn has positioned it as an option. Ructions to the right, ructions to the left and all the while in the Commons, MPs are still discussing the potential fallout of a no-deal Brexit. Nine days to go and the clock keeps ticking..

 

[fowler9]

Spoke to someone close to me today who said that they didn't understand how the EU worked, didn't know why we would need a deal and couldn't understand why we should expect a deal. The people voted leave so we should leave. They voted leave with absolutely no understanding of how our world works. I give up, I completely give up.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I really think if nothing goes through and there's no long extension, then at the very last minute faced with no-deal or revoke; May will revoke and resign with immediate effect. It must be 50/50.

Can she revoke alone, or would it require a vote in the House?

 

[BananaRepublic]

Spoke to someone close to me today who said that they didn't understand how the EU worked, didn't know why we would need a deal and couldn't understand why we should expect a deal. The people voted leave so we should leave. They voted leave with absolutely no understanding of how our world works. I give up, I completely give up.

I think you will find that just as many so called "remain" voters are equally ignorant of what the EU is and how it's supposed to work.

 

[fowler9]

I think you will find that just as many so called "remain" voters are equally ignorant of what the EU is and how it's supposed to work.

Hmmmm. Yeah. To be honest I am sick of listening to that argument. Most remain voters knew what life was like in the EU because they lived in it. The ever closer union, the EU army yadda yadda was stuff we had opt outs on. Totally bombing out is something no one has too much of an idea about and can't agree in the tiniest way about how we should leave in any way.

 

[bramling]

Hmmmm. Yeah. To be honest I am sick of listening to that argument. Most remain voters knew what life was like in the EU because they lived in it. The ever closer union, the EU army yadda yadda was stuff we had opt outs on. Totally bombing out is something no one has too much of an idea about and can't agree in the tiniest way about how we should leave in any way.

Don't entirely buy that argument. How accurate did the 1975 crystal ball prove to be in foretelling what the EC would look like a few decades later?

 

[bramling]

I really think if nothing goes through and there's no long extension, then at the very last minute faced with no-deal or revoke; May will revoke and resign with immediate effect. It must be 50/50.

For a PM who is already essentially finished, I'd say all bets are off.

 

[fowler9]

Don't entirely buy that argument. How accurate did the 1975 crystal ball prove to be in foretelling what the EC would look like a few decades later?

Yeah but we can always leave if we are forced to join an EU army which isn't happening. Etc. Etc.

 

[bramling]

Yeah but we can always leave if we are forced to join an EU army which isn't happening. Etc. Etc.

Once again, the issue arises that the political establishment in this country hasn't really reflected the views of the wider population. In essence what I'm saying is that people quite probably don't trust the politicians to make the right choices when it comes to opt-outs, using the veto and the like. That was what led to UKIP flourishing over the last decade.

 

[fowler9]

Once again, the issue arises that the political establishment in this country hasn't really reflected the views of the wider population. In essence what I'm saying is that people quite probably don't trust the politicians to make the right choices when it comes to opt-outs, using the veto and the like. That was what led to UKIP flourishing over the last decade.

Yeah I agree. But once we leave we are out. The only way back in if it turns in to a disaster is without all of our opt outs. I think a lot of people view the EU as some other despite the fact that we are monumental in the EU being what it is. We are leaving with absolutely no plan. This really annoys me. It is unlikely that this won't have a very negative impact on our country for a long time.

 

[bnm]

Once again, the issue arises that the political establishment in this country hasn't really reflected the views of the wider population. In essence what I'm saying is that people quite probably don't trust the politicians to make the right choices when it comes to opt-outs, using the veto and the like. That was what led to UKIP flourishing over the last decade.

Flourishing?

There are 22,578 political representatives across the United Kingdom. That's Councillors (district/borough, county, unitary, metropolitan) MPs, Lords, MSPs, AMs, MLAs Mayors, PCCs. That figure also includes 73 MEPs elected to the European Parliament.

Out of that 22,578 UKIP currently muster 112. That's a shade under 0.5%.

Is that really a flourishing political party?

 

[bramling]

Flourishing?

There are 22,578 political representatives across the United Kingdom. That's Councillors (district/borough, county, unitary, metropolitan) MPs, Lords, MSPs, AMs, MLAs Mayors, PCCs. That figure also includes 73 MEPs elected to the European Parliament.

Out of that 22,578 UKIP currently muster 112. That's a shade under 0.5%.

Is that really a flourishing political party?

Reaching nearly 13% of the vote share in a GE from essentially nothing in a short space of time I'd say is a pretty creditable achievement. Likewise they gained a *lot* of attention from broadcasters and the media - Farage still does.

 

[bnm]

Reaching nearly 13% of the vote share in a GE from essentially nothing in a short space of time I'd say is a pretty creditable achievement. Likewise they gained a *lot* of attention from broadcasters and the media - Farage still does.

We're quite a few years on from peak UKIP now though. And I'm all for the attention they get from broadcasters. The more people that know about Gerard Batten's xenophobia and association with a convicted racist the better.

And Nigel Farage isn't a member of UKIP.

 

[Giugiaro]

OK, what the hell happened today at Commons? Did the indicative votes on the two remaining Brexit plans get dropped for a bill to extend, yet again, article 50?

 

[bramling]

We're quite a few years on from peak UKIP now though. And I'm all for the attention they get from broadcasters. The more people that know about Gerard Batten's xenophobia and association with a convicted racist the better.

Hmm, a certain something happening in 2016 might just have something to do with this. Something comparable can quite easily re-appear should the issue regain salience - which it might well do if the current situation continues.

And Nigel Farage isn't a member of UKIP.

Not now, no, although to many people I suspect he is still the face of UKIP.

 

[krus_aragon]

We're quite a few years on from peak UKIP now though.

Here in Wales, they managed to get seven regional (PR) seats in 2016. Since then, with in-fighting, bickering, and resignations, they're down to three AMs...