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Great Northern 313 Withdrawals

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Great blog mate. Very interesting.
I Love the PEP units.
It will be a sad day indeed
when the lasts ones leave our metals

Thanks very much for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it. They will be missed. I've been using them since 1978, plus their sisters, the 507/508s which I've also done a picture blog for. https://paulbigland.blog/2018/11/12/the-twilight-of-the-merseyrail-class-507-508-fleets/

Hopefully GN will run a special charter before they're finally withdrawn.
 
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With the May timetable change at Stevenage and the introduction of the replacement bus service to Monday to Sunday and the 717s being introduced is it possible that the last 313 from Stevenage will be on the 17/18 May 2019.

Did that today - as a farewell , and got one of my "old" NLR units 313123 to Hertford from Moorgate. The latter was in good internal condition , I have to say the others were appalling inside and out - with I suspect - years of embeddeddirt and moss inside (on the windows) - they will be missed , and can still muster a good turn of speed when they can.
 

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I am sure the 313's will get a good send off - they deserve it. The GN Electrics was a great morale booster when it came in - showing what BR could do. Transformational compared to what was there before.

A good friend did the first GN Electric timetable , local "boy" from North London , and was immensely proud of his efforts. Deservedly.

Shame they are a bit mucky in their last days, - but the 711's I am sure will be welcomed.
 

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With the May timetable change at Stevenage and the introduction of the replacement bus service to Monday to Sunday and the 717s being introduced is it possible that the last 313 from Stevenage will be on the 17/18 May 2019.

IIRC there will still be a small handful of early morning and late evening services running through from and to Stevenage in service, these being units which stable overnight at Letchworth. Sunday also seems to run an all-day service.
 

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I always thought the Merseyrail 507/508 units looked much more modern from the outside compared to the rest of the PEP fleet.
The refurbishment in the early 2000s helps with that. I know it doesn't neccessarily take much for "normals" to think a refurbished train is new (see the Northern Unit Refurbishments thread!) but in the case of the Merseyrail units it was understandable. Replacing the headlights probably helped- the Southern 313s feel modern inside but still show their age from the outside.
 

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Enjoyed the blog Paul..most enjoyable! Been driving these units since I moved to passenger from freight in 1999. I shall miss the 313s
I've even bought myself a 00 scale kit of one!!!
I've updated my picture blog looking back at the lives and times of the Class 313s with pictures of yesterdays scrap move.https://paulbigland.blog/2018/10/15/the-twilight-of-the-class-313s/ It's also possible that 313055 may be moving to Kingsbury on Thursday, but this hasn't been confirmed.
 

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57 912 is at Hornsey depot right now and I saw 059 at Harringay heading south 20 mins ago
 

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313050 appears to be the next one to go tomorrow. It’s on 30 road, quite surprised that’s going as it’s a very quick unit to drive & seemed to be in good mechnical condition.
 

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How is it possible to buy items removed from these (or other) units once they are scrapped? Like seats?
 

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As a non-expert, I'm surprised they are being taken singly - is that all each yard can cope with at once or is it down to what the 57 can haul please?
 

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As a non-expert, I'm surprised they are being taken singly - is that all each yard can cope with at once or is it down to what the 57 can haul please?
I would imagine its something to do with the couplings between units..I am not sure at all but I would think the unit would be electrically "dead" and unable to couple to another 313 as brake continuity would be compromised. Having driven these units for decades I have only ever hauled another dead 313 at low speeds with another unit, never a loco!
I am probably wrong but it is the only explanation I can think of.
 

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With the 717s finally entering public service, it might be a good time to start a thread for the withdrawals of the 313s on Great Northern for when they do start getting retired and sent to become razor blades.

I believe 313026 has been stood-down due to various issues?

(Sorry if there is already a thread, I did look back but couldn't see one)


Given that they have aluminium bodies, I think they would make blunt razor blades
 

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I would imagine its something to do with the couplings between units..I am not sure at all but I would think the unit would be electrically "dead" and unable to couple to another 313 as brake continuity would be compromised. Having driven these units for decades I have only ever hauled another dead 313 at low speeds with another unit, never a loco!
I am probably wrong but it is the only explanation I can think of.

Presumably there's no through air pipe, so they'd have to be hauled unbraked
 

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I would imagine its something to do with the couplings between units..I am not sure at all but I would think the unit would be electrically "dead" and unable to couple to another 313 as brake continuity would be compromised. Having driven these units for decades I have only ever hauled another dead 313 at low speeds with another unit, never a loco!
I am probably wrong but it is the only explanation I can think of.

Presumably there's no through air pipe, so they'd have to be hauled unbraked

It is possible to haul multiples,(example here, not mine) although the units are aux'd off and dragged dead, the loco does get brake continuity and fully controls the braking system on units that it is dragging, air would still continue to pass through the tightlock coupler face between the two multiple units, providing air to the whole formation and if any break away occured the units would react in exactly the same way that any 'in service' train would.
 

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Presumably there's no through air pipe, so they'd have to be hauled unbraked
No that wouldn't be allowed. The loco will be able to charge the air up on a 313 but not sure if the 313 would be able to pass on the message to another 313 coupled to it!
 

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It is possible to haul multiples,(example here, not mine) although the units are aux'd off and dragged dead, the loco does get brake continuity and fully controls the braking system on units that it is dragging, air would still continue to pass through the tightlock coupler face between the two multiple units, providing air to the whole formation and if any break away occured the units would react in exactly the same way that any 'in service' train would.
As I said..I'm not certain!!
 
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