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Trivia: Stations that are really two different stations joined together

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does Oxford count. The chiltern platforms seem to be separate from the GW part
 
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If we're including tube then Charing Cross is effectively two stations.
With the added bonus that neither was actually called Charing Cross - the Bakerloo station was Trafalgar Square whilst the Northern station was Strand. When the Jubilee station was built the whole lot was merged into one station and adopted the Charing Cross name for the adjacent BR station.

The original Charing Cross station on the Underground is now... Embankment.

Are you meaning because of 4a, 4b and 4c? If so they were purpose built to allow the former LSWR station to close. So that is technically an expansion to allow a nearby closure rather than two separate stations being merged into one.
 

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Ormskirk and Kirkby are different towns 6 miles apart, and Liverpool Central and Moorfields are different stations, half a mile from each other on opposite sides of the city centre.
But each of the four is two separate stations from the train operations point of view, with shared passenger facilities.
 

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But each of the four is two separate stations from the train operations point of view, with shared passenger facilities.

I don't get what facilities Moorfields and Liverpool Central are meant to share when they're on opposite sides of the city?
 

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Richmond station (Surrey), where the station on the through Windsor lines, the 'Old Station' as it was popularly known, was quite separate from the station on the terminal lines, the 'New Station', as shown on this map. Each had its own station buildings, on opposite sides of Kew Road. Both belonged to the LSWR. The Windsor lines station was re-sited when the whole station was rebuilt in the 1930s, the basic layout remaining much the same since, with the through and terminal lines sharing the same concourse. There is no longer any rail link between the two halves; the double crossover from the line from Kew Gardens to the Windsor lines was removed (I think) in the 1960s, and the reverse crossover from the up Windsor line was removed when the NLL no longer used Wimbledon-based 2-EPB stock.
Fascinating. I never knew it was two stations. Possibly explains why the through platforms are a bit tight in places if that wasn't their original location.

Also liked the map. Interesting to see by the names of large houses down by the Thames how many 'London' homes of Peers still seemed to be in place.
 

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I don't get what facilities Moorfields and Liverpool Central are meant to share when they're on opposite sides of the city?

I think they mean Wirral line and Northern line being separate but sharing booking office etc.
 

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With the added bonus that neither was actually called Charing Cross - the Bakerloo station was Trafalgar Square whilst the Northern station was Strand. When the Jubilee station was built the whole lot was merged into one station and adopted the Charing Cross name for the adjacent BR station.

The original Charing Cross station on the Underground is now... Embankment.

Being pedantic, there’s loads of examples on LU where stations were built by different independent companies.

Just thinking of the early Tube lines, even somewhere like Oxford Circus was originally served by two separate companies (CLR and LER) with two separate surface buildings. Euston is another good example (CSLR and LER), again with two separate surface buildings.

Then there’s similar examples which had different names, for example the LER station at Tottenham Court Road was originall Oxford Street, which has led to a bit of a name anomoly persisting to this day as the Central Line station was Tottenham Court Road, quite logical for an east/west line, yet on the Northern Line that name could quite reasonably be applied to Goodge Street or Warren Street, especially the former as it sits roughly at the mid-point of Tottenham Court Road as opposed to stuck at one end. Whether any of this matters is of course a matter for debate, as naturally people get used to things as they are.
 

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That’s why I used the words, “site of “ as the present Merseyrail platforms are slightly further along the track from the old Garston station. Anyway, I would argue that the present Liverpool South Parkway station is essentially two stations on one site as there is quite a distance between the Merseyrail platforms and the other platforms on the mainline.

More or less exactly the same distance between the two sets of new platforms and the new and old platforms on Merseyrail! As that makes both of us right (or wrong) I'll admit I was being pedantic and call it a draw :)
I think we've had a thread about this topic before but I can't find it when I searched.
 

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Are you meaning because of 4a, 4b and 4c? If so they were purpose built to allow the former LSWR station to close. So that is technically an expansion to allow a nearby closure rather than two separate stations being merged into one.
The Southern station was originally built by the South Eastern, as the terminus of its line from Redhill. Prior to the recent rebuilding, IIRC there were two Southern platforms, 4a and 4b, since rebuilding there are three, numbered 4, 5, & 6.
 

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Highbury and Islington used to be 2 separate stations with their own buildings. Indeed the North London line station was a very grand building until it was damaged in the war

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Highbury and Islington used to be 2 separate stations with their own buildings. Indeed the North London line station was a very grand building until it was damaged in the war

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That is quite a lovely building. What a shame!
 

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Fascinating. I never knew it was two stations. Possibly explains why the through platforms are a bit tight in places if that wasn't their original location. Also liked the map. Interesting to see by the names of large houses down by the Thames how many 'London' homes of Peers still seemed to be in place.

Below is a picture of Richmond station prior to the 1930s rebuilding, looking west from Church Road, with the Windsor lines in the centre. It's easy to see how separate the station are; there's a path between them, coming down from Church Road. The Old Station down buildings are the ones with pale roofs in the centre distance; the up building is beyond the New Station roof, with the big chimney (the big building to its right is the Station Hotel, the launching-pad for many famous 1960s bands). This map shows the rebuilt station.

Re Richmond and large houses; the town is lucky in that it has not been so badly bashed around as many other towns, and today there still are loads of old houses, many going back centuries.

Richmond -- Station 4.jpg
 

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I get that it has two parts but what is the third?
The low numbered platforms were LNER, and electrified on DC not AC, so operationally separate, though all under one roof and the RCH junction diagrams (see the Wikipedia article) show the whole lot in from Ardwick Jn as LNWR.
So a slightly moot point - contrast London Victoria where the stations were physically separate and separately owned.
 

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The low numbered platforms were LNER, and electrified on DC not AC, so operationally separate, though all under one roof and the RCH junction diagrams (see the Wikipedia article) show the whole lot in from Ardwick Jn as LNWR.
So a slightly moot point - contrast London Victoria where the stations were physically separate and separately owned.
I think it was all LNWR with running power inherited from the Great Central, but there were definitely a number of platforms (not sure how many) dedicated to GC and fenced off from the LNWR platforms. Disputes between the companies were one reason for the formation of the CLC and the construction of Manchester Central and the lines round the south of the city to access it.
 

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Birmingham New Street was built as two stations on one site by the LNWR and the Midland Railway. There was a road between the two halves at one point.

How about Nuneaton? There was something like a 35 year gap between one being knocked down and the other being built but platforms 6 & 7 basically function as the old Nuneaton Abbey Street station.
 

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do platforms 8 & 9 at Edinburgh count? they were the old 'suburban' platforms. out of use for a fair while weren't they?


And Perth? the Dundee side seems different to the Highland Line platforms?

Brum New St was 2 stations before it was trashed in WW2 and the 1960's rebuilding. Still seems to operate as 2 stations, low numbered platforms for cov-wolverhampton, and high numbered for cross city and NE - SW cross country, keeping the LNWR/MR distinction a bit.
I was going to suggest Perth too. Platforms 1&2 (Glasgow / Dundee Aberdeen) is through a little passageway from the bulk of the station. The platforms are open and look better cared for than the other 5 platforms which are enclosed under increasingly dilapidated canopies.
 

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I think it was all LNWR with running power inherited from the Great Central, but there were definitely a number of platforms (not sure how many) dedicated to GC and fenced off from the LNWR platforms. Disputes between the companies were one reason for the formation of the CLC and the construction of Manchester Central and the lines round the south of the city to access it.

There were three Great Central/LNER platforms at Manchester London Road lettered A, B and C. There were separate LNER and LMS booking offices.
 

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The low numbered platforms were LNER, and electrified on DC not AC, so operationally separate, though all under one roof and the RCH junction diagrams (see the Wikipedia article) show the whole lot in from Ardwick Jn as LNWR.
So a slightly moot point - contrast London Victoria where the stations were physically separate and separately owned.

It was 3.
The Manchester South Junction and Altrincham Railway (MSJ&AR) had the lines through what are now the through platforms
The Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway (MS&LR) had the low numbered platforms for its services through Woodhead tunnel
and the LNWR was sandwiched in the middle with its line from Stockport.
Wiki says relations between LNWR and MS&LR had deteriorated so the 2 parts of the station were operated separately.
But MSJ&AR was a joint venture between MS&LR and LNWR.

It has had a chequered electrification history

The line through Woodhead was 1500v DC and that remained for the Glossop/Hadfield trains till that went 25Kv in 1984
The line to Altrincham was also 1500v DC - that was converted to 25Kv in 1971. Of course it was later converted to Metrolink 750v DC.
The line from Stockport was electrified 25Kv in 1960

How did they organised the electrification in the trainshed with 2 systems? I think some platforms were 1500v DC, others 25Kv AC

Lots of good stuff on this Wiki page. I wont quote from it - click the link to read the whole piece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Piccadilly_station




 

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How about Hackney Downs and Hackney Central? These are now 2 separate stations that are directly connected to each other with a purpose built walkway.

Perhaps that's more a case of two entirely separate stations now joined together, albeit a little tenuously.
 

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Ealing Broadway?

Yes! Have a look at this map, the stations are quite separate. There was a connection from the District to the GWR, as shown on this map. The Central Line platforms were built later on in between them by the GWR, with the platform canopies, etc, constructed in the latter's style.
 

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Highbury and Islington used to be 2 separate stations with their own buildings. Indeed the North London line station was a very grand building until it was damaged in the war

histation.jpg

Wow, that's lovely. I'm struggling to work out where it is - is it where the single station is now? It looks like that wasn't the only old building to go, everything adjoining the station is pretty modern.
 

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Yes! Have a look at this map, the stations are quite separate. There was a connection from the District to the GWR, as shown on this map. The Central Line platforms were built later on in between them by the GWR, with the platform canopies, etc, constructed in the latter's style.

Yes, the Central Line extension there was opened in 1923; the District Line in 1879.
 

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Below is a picture of Richmond station prior to the 1930s rebuilding, looking west from Church Road, with the Windsor lines in the centre. It's easy to see how separate the station are; there's a path between them, coming down from Church Road. The Old Station down buildings are the ones with pale roofs in the centre distance; the up building is beyond the New Station roof, with the big chimney (the big building to its right is the Station Hotel, the launching-pad for many famous 1960s bands). This map shows the rebuilt station.

Re Richmond and large houses; the town is lucky in that it has not been so badly bashed around as many other towns, and today there still are loads of old houses, many going back centuries.

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And the building on the left, which at the time of the photo is the goods yard, was the 1st station for the Windsor line when it terminated at Richmond when first constructed. When the line was extended to Twickenham and beyond, the created a new through alignment with the second station built on the new alignment, and the old terminus became the goods yard. The latter Kew terminus opened where the current building is and as you said the Windsor line station was moved/merged with the Kew terminus to what we have now, which the goods yard/original terminus closing and demolished a while ago. So the Windsor station was actually moved twice!
 
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