AlterEgo
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Ah, ok. That's not what people were saying in this thread though.
People were talking about the actress Emma Thompson weren’t they?
Ah, ok. That's not what people were saying in this thread though.
Obviously you are not a regular watcher of "Hard Talk" as if you were, you would know that a very large number of those interviewed do not have English as their first language.
I am at a total and utter loss to understand where your comment about disabled people is supposed to lead, as I made no mention about it in my post.
What does she do that you actually object to?I think you have to remember that she has deliberately chosen her particular high-profile role in life at present with a very large following, so I wonder if she should appear on the television programme "Hard Talk" to face the type of questioning used on that programme?
Maybe - my error if so. She couldn't very well use anything other than a plane if coming from the USA.People were talking about the actress Emma Thompson weren’t they?
Maybe - my error if so. She couldn't very well use anything other than a plane if coming from the USA.
I am sure a lively debate shall follow!!
Doesn't anyone else read the facts and worry about what to do about this issue? I have complete sympathy with what they are trying to achieve, even if this doesn't seem to be the right way to go about it.
Realistically, we have to accept that even the most eco-minded of us does many things that damage the environment. That's not hypocritical.
I can't work out if this is a parody or not.they are workshy, soap dodging, privileged, hypocritical,smug, self righteous, students/hippy, virtue flaunters and should be dealt with not with the kid gloves of middle class protesters but with the police horses, baton charges, riot police, shield wall and police brutality of working class protesters.
I saw one of them being carted away by 4 of the old bill holding a smart phone in one hand and a single use plastic bottle of Buxton water in the other. Way to go on saving the environment......................
I worry about the issue but by closing down roads in London, blocking bus routes and disrupting public transport you force more people to use cars thus polluting even more. That doesn't seem very sensible to me!
I wonder if the smart phone wielding hippy has given one moment of thought to the ecological damage inflicted by mining for the rare minerals that a smart phone lives on. ( or the electricity to charge the phone up or the shipping of said phone around the world!) It drives me mad. This is important and some silly students and hippys are ruining an opportunity to change peoples views and drive change in how society consumes resources.
It absolutely IS hypocritical but we overlook that because the ends justify the means. My use of smart phone is fine because I am using to to do good. Your use of a smart phone is BAD because you are using it to play candy crush and take vacuous selfies!
I try to do what I can to limit my consumption of resources and impact of that consumption but I am a hypocrite because instead of a single use coffee cup I have an aluminium flask thingy. We overlook the damage caused in extracting the ore, smelting it, forging the cup, decorating it, packaging it and shipping it to my house from somewhere far away because it is good not to use a single use cup!
I can't work out if this is a parody or not.
OK, I get the part about hypocrisy. Most of your examples don't apply to me, but some do.it isnt - the whole ecological movement is hypocritical. We all are. We recycle but drive a diesel. We worry about plastic in the oceans but waste food on a mammoth scale. We complain the rain forests are cut down to provide grazing lad for beef yet want leather shoes. We worry the methane from all that beef might damage the ozone layer but we like steaks. We worry about single use coffee cups yet will happily drink out of an aluminium flask/cup. We worry about jet fumes polluting the atmosphere but really want a cheap holiday in the sun. We worry about food miles but want exotic fruit. We worry about pollution but simply must have that DVD by same day delivery in a big box. We worry baout the use of water to make cotton products but I absolutely must have that shirt for my night out.
I bet few if any of us are neutral in our use of resources yet pretend we aren't the problem.We are. We need to change that but upsetting loads of people and making there lives harder wont do that. It will simply make people annoyed and dismissive of your message.
AND I don't like students.
I'm assuming you don't deny the existance of climate change and the role of humans in at least accellerating it.
If these protests are not the way to go about getting the political establishment to listen, what is the method that should be used?
We aren't going back to a 17th century existence so lets not pretend that they are.
How does one disrupt retailers, politicans and producers without disrupting the public?FAR from it. We are responsible. We need to fix it. Fast.
Disrupt the politicians, retailers and producers not the public. I would also ask them to target the MOST polluting countries ASAP. Start with the USA, Russia and China.
I would also be trying to campaign and educate on things that the average person can deal with. What can I do as an individual to make small changes to help? Also be realistic: Cars are not going away. Planes are not going away. We aren't going back to a 17th century existence so lets not pretend that they are.
For each of us there's a balance between protecting the planet and going about our normal lives. That situation can only be improved by better Government action on climate change.
How does one disrupt retailers, politicans and producers without disrupting the public?
My name is Greta Thunberg. I am 16 years old. I come from Sweden. And I speak on behalf of future generations.
I know many of you don’t want to listen to us – you say we are just children. But we’re only repeating the message of the united climate science.
What does she do that you actually object to?
This girl has used the freedoms available in Western Europe to espouse her views, but I much prefer Malala Yousafzai who advocated human rights in an atmosphere of very conservative Islam and was shot in the head at the age of just 14 by a Taliban gunman. In 2014 at the age of 17, she was a co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize.
OK. Great. that doesn't really answer the question asked................................
The first sentence of my posting shows that the girl in question is not fighting against the same opposition faced by Malala Yousafzai, but seems to have freedoms to travel to other countries without the same strictures.
The first sentence of my posting shows that the girl in question is not fighting against the same opposition faced by Malala Yousafzai, but seems to have freedoms to travel to other countries without the same strictures.
So that makes what she says less accurate? If we get someone to shoot at her, will that make her message more accurate?
I was wondering who it would be who made the point you made. The European girl is not under the same danger of death in "liberal-minded" Western Europe, unless Islamic extremists see her as a target worth attacking in the same way that Islamic State saw the Sri Lankan home-based Catholics and European tourists in luxury hotels in Sri Lanka as worthwhile targets.
I think the Extinction Rebellion protests have now actually achieved exactly what they aimed to do; put climate change irreversibly on the political agenda. Along with the BBC's coverage and David Attenborough's latest factual-science masterpiece, it's an impressive combined effort.
My hope is that Corbyn and Labour now see the millions of young votes they will gain with a combined climate action / People's Vote manifesto and will actually commit to a strategy along both fronts. There's potentially three massive birds to down with a single stone (excuse the environmentally unfriendly pun) if you also want to see the Tory party dumped out of government.
You were the one who brought up Malala who has no relevance at all to the topic. You appeared to be inferring that because she is less at risk and has freedom to express her views then she's less worthy of notice. Of course, Islamic extremists have never killed anyone in the capital cities of "liberal-minded" Western Europe