Hull Trains HST

[Kite159]

I noticed on Saturday when the mini-HST was in Kings Cross it has an excessive amount of first class compared to the 180s (one of the end coaches plus the buffet/FC coach). Unless one of those areas is declassified it seems standard class passengers get less seats

 

[nat67]

I noticed on Saturday when the mini-HST was in Kings Cross it has an excessive amount of first class compared to the 180s (one of the end coaches plus the buffet/FC coach). Unless one of those areas is declassified it seems standard class passengers get less seats

It's only half a coach less. But there isn't as much difference really if you take away the cabs off the 180's. The Mk3 TGS takes of a few seats mind but no real difference in they amount.

 

[cactustwirly]

I noticed on Saturday when the mini-HST was in Kings Cross it has an excessive amount of first class compared to the 180s (one of the end coaches plus the buffet/FC coach). Unless one of those areas is declassified it seems standard class passengers get less seats

A GWR HST has 84 seats in a TSO, and 76 in a TGS, giving 244 Std class seats.

A 180 has 230 Std class seats (272 in total)

 

[Kite159]

A GWR HST has 84 seats in a TSO, and 76 in a TGS, giving 244 Std class seats.

A 180 has 230 Std class seats (272 in total)

Is that in the very high density mostly airline style tombstone seating?

 

[cactustwirly]

Is that in the very high density mostly airline style tombstone seating?

Yeah, I'm not sure that GWR have any low density sets left

 

[43096]

Yeah, I'm not sure that GWR have any low density sets left

They don’t - they were the first to be off-leased.

 

[Railperf]

They don’t - they were the first to be off-leased.

Is there a good reason why Hull only use shorter trains?

 

[43096]

Is there a good reason why Hull only use shorter trains?

Performance (a short HST will match 180 performance), cost, possibly platform lengths for starters.

 

[Railperf]

Performance (a short HST will match 180 performance), cost, possibly platform lengths for starters.

Yes, apart from the initial start off the line - mainly due to drivers delaying the move into notch 5, the performance is almost identical!
But it looks like the schedule would handle the extra weight of 1 or 2 more coaches!

 

[Yorkshireman16]

is the hst still working for hull trains dose it work a set diagram as i am in London May 14th

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

is the hst still working for hull trains dose it work a set diagram as i am in London May 14th

Yes but May 14th is a Tuesday, if memory serves like the HST only works Friday to Monday.

 

[cactustwirly]

Yes but May 14th is a Tuesday, if memory serves like the HST only works Friday to Monday.

They're apparently getting a 2nd set from GWR, so they can have HST services during the week.

 

[SC43090]

They're apparently getting a 2nd set from GWR, so they can have HST services during the week.

Wednesday 8th May 2019

5E19 1100 Bristol PM Doncaster,, Then formed a 5Z81 1540 Doncaster Hull

43027 / 43023.. Load 5 formation not known at moment

SC 43090

 

[Spirit555]

Stock is

41166, 40900, 42347, 42506, 44034

 

[43055]

The set is currently in st Andrew's siding in Derby. Looks like it will head to Bristol at around 1000

 

[DaiGog]

The above set (023/027) is currently working the 1148 KGX-HUL. It's doing just the one trip to London and back today.

Friday - 0823/1148/1512/1848
Saturday - 0823/1148/1531/1948
Sunday - TBC but likely to be 1052/1448

 

[Railperf]

The above set (023/027) is currently working the 1148 KGX-HUL. It's doing just the one trip to London and back today.

Friday - 0823/1148/1512/1848
Saturday - 0823/1148/1531/1948
Sunday - TBC but likely to be 1052/1448

Is the 2nd set going to cover Monday to Thursday diagrams?

 

[DaiGog]

Is the 2nd set going to cover Monday to Thursday diagrams?

It will give the flexibility to do that, but the focus will be on more crew training for a while. In the event of a shortage of 180s it will give the potential for cover any day of the week, subject to trained crews being available.

 

[ForTheLoveOf]

Will the diagrams change from the May timetable at all?

 

[cactustwirly]

Will the diagrams change from the May timetable at all?

Shouldn't do

 

[DaiGog]

The timetable is largely unchanged, other than the Beverley extensions to the 0823 HUL-KGX and 1548 KGX-HUL. Whether the HST ceases to work the 0823 diagram remains to be seen (it also does the 1848 KGX-BEV) - we'll know next week once it's been planned in.

 

[43055]

One of the sets has just gone north through Derby. 43020 was on the rear I think.

 

[Plethora]

I've just spotted a Mark 3 rake being hauled through Peterborough from Laira to Ely (via Bromsgrove!). Is this in any way connected to the Hull HST diagrams? I'm struggling to understand the purpose of the move otherwise. Looks to be 507Z on RTT and a one-off move. Perhaps freeing up sidings at Laira in the alternative?

 

[cactustwirly]

I've just spotted a Mark 3 rake being hauled through Peterborough from Laira to Ely (via Bromsgrove!). Is this in any way connected to the Hull HST diagrams? I'm struggling to understand the purpose of the move otherwise. Looks to be 507Z on RTT and a one-off move. Perhaps freeing up sidings at Laira in the alternative?

Nope these are off lease HST coaches, being stored at Ely

 

[Plethora]

Nope these are off lease HST coaches, being stored at Ely

Thanks, I just did some more digging and discovered this too!

 

[DaiGog]

One of the sets has just gone north through Derby. 43020 was on the rear I think.

43010 is the other one.

 

[185102]

Does anyone have this week's plan for the HT HST please?

 

[43055]

43010 is the other one.

Thank you

 

[DaiGog]

Does anyone have this week's plan for the HT HST please?

Thursday - 0823/1148/1512/1848
Friday - 0823/1148/1512/1848
Saturday - 0823/1148/1531/1948
Sunday - 1248 HUL-KGX and 1622 KGX-HUL additional services

 

[Railperf]

Great stuff! All we need now is for the crew to start driving them like this!! Or recruit a few GWR guys