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Very unlikely. There are some that would design the train themselves and still find faultHave any new trains ever been introduced without criticism on this forum?
Very unlikely. There are some that would design the train themselves and still find faultHave any new trains ever been introduced without criticism on this forum?
Table seats have a nice bar across the underneath to stop those who think it acceptable to get comfy with their feet on the opposite seat. About time too.
Table seats have a nice bar across the underneath to stop those who think it acceptable to get comfy with their feet on the opposite seat. About time too.
That's the way it is on a railway that is approaching 100% of capacity. The alternatives are:The thing is Abellio in this franchise are very much a theoretical, quantity based operation rather than a practical,quality based one.
The cynic in me says that the bars are there because the leg-room is poor and they are being used as an artificial way of regulating how much people on each side of the bar takes up.
So we've seen seats facing each other without tables, table seats with bars to clout knees on, 3 in a row airline seating, and airline seating according to the last picture that is ultra high density.
Don't take my word for it - take the seat manufacturers
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That's the way it is on a railway that is approaching 100% of capacity.
@F Great Eastern Aren't those just diagrams from the manufacturer demonstrating the potential density increase that the LEAN seat allows?
There's nothing thus far to say that GA will use that dense a layout.
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A glance inside the 745 suggests that there is plenty of legroom. That lower diagram is not representative of what can be seen in videos of 745 and 755s. Time to put that one to bed before it gets tedious.
The seats near the doors and the carriage ends and wheelchair spaces have more room than the ones in the middle of the carriage - look at that side on view of the airline seats in the video up thread, it's like sardines.
Needs to have all windows you can lean out of, three full buffet cars and a smoke-belching engine to get the thumbs up here!Have any new trains ever been introduced without criticism on this forum?
Needs to have all windows you can lean out of, three full buffet cars and a smoke-belching engine to get the thumbs up here!
Except the emus are replacing loco hauled stock, so I'd say it's fair to compare in this case.It's a shame that these new units get so much hate by people, complaining about everything on them, why one door, not british built, etc. I personally like these new units and its a bit unfair to compare a full EMU to locohauled stock.
The seats near the doors and the carriage ends and wheelchair spaces have more room than the ones in the middle of the carriage - look at that side on view of the airline seats in the video up thread, it's like sardines.
The video posted shows the first non Greater Anglia issued shot of regular airline seats.
It's a shame that these new units get so much hate by people, complaining about everything on them, why one door, not british built, etc. I personally like these new units and its a bit unfair to compare a full EMU to locohauled stock.
They do, they have possibly some of the nicest 1st class areas found in modern EMUs with very plush, reclining and comfortable seats. 2+1 too!I doubt that as the current electrostars on stanstead express dont have first class
They do, they have possibly some of the nicest 1st class areas found in modern EMUs with very plush, reclining and comfortable seats. 2+1 too!
I agree that they should have been a homogeneous fleet with more spares to compensate for the slack in the fleet. I don't know how they will pull it off with one spare based some hundred miles away in Norwich! I think retaining first class would have been a great idea for the Airport service and was a trick missed. There's a lot of people flying from Stansted who are splashing out quite a bit on a holiday and to get away from the horrible crowds that have formed on board can escape to a quieter haven that is first class.I still don't understand why the 12-car FLIRTs weren't a homogeneous fleet. They could always have flogged First Class as a £5 upgrade or similar and left the buffet closed on StanEx services.
This is especially confusing considering that the same franchise's entire London Commuter operations are done by just two very similar variants of the same train!I still don't understand why the 12-car FLIRTs weren't a homogeneous fleet. They could always have flogged First Class as a £5 upgrade or similar and left the buffet closed on StanEx services.
I think the interior spec of the trains look good on the whole but I genuinely fear that the lack of two doors per carriage, disposing of 1st class on Stansted Express and not having more spares with one on standby at Ilford or somewhere closer is going to cause more problems than it solves. It will come to bite the bean counters.
Agreed will still be a while before it actually bites though. Those who though ti up long gone at that stage though!