dk1
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Nobody wants anymore stops. The train already stops in a few places as it is.
Places on down the line such as Chelmsford and Colchester already have a few trains for hour, with 321 etc.
So why are you suggesting that the already lengthy Norwich service be extended by adding in yet more stops?
Do you realise that an equivalent ECML service is less than 1 hour 15 minutes? You are proposing a 2 hour+ service?
Norwich needs a fast service just like any other town in Britain. I’m not sure why you and others want to discriminate against it.
SWML has plenty of four tracking & flying junctions whereas the GEML doesn't & something has to give. Unfortunately a few commuter services will suffer to start with. People soon adjust.It's simple, Norwich passengers make up a small % of the overall ridership. Why should they be singled out for special treatment whilst a greater volume of passengers, who provide a far greater % of income, are given less capacity?
The GE is not the EC, don't compare them, that's completely inappropriate. The GE is a commuter route, no different to the SWML. That is a better comparison.
SWML has plenty of four tracking & flying junctions whereas the GEML doesn't & something has to give. Unfortunately a few commuter services will suffer to start with. People soon adjust.
It’s not simple. Why does Chelmsford and so on need another stopper service? These towns are already served by a few trains hour.
And Norwich is not being singled out. Cambridge itself has a NONSTOP service that does not stop anywhere.
Retford and Newark are also afforded similar services. Are you now suggesting that they should become stopper services?
Aw poor you adding a few minutes on to your already short journey.
Nobody wants anymore stops. The train already stops in a few places as it is.
Places on down the line such as Chelmsford and Colchester already have a few trains for hour, with 321 etc.
So why are you suggesting that the already lengthy Norwich service be extended by adding in yet more stops?
Do you realise that an equivalent ECML service is less than 1 hour 15 minutes? You are proposing a 2 hour+ service?
Norwich needs a fast service just like any other town in Britain. I’m not sure why you and others want to discriminate against it.
Two totally irrelevant arguments.... And Norwich is not being singled out. Cambridge itself has a NONSTOP service every hour, that does not stop anywhere.
Retford and Newark are also afforded similar services. Are you now suggesting that they should become stopper services?
I'm against because it's unreliable, no point reducing journey times if you can't maintain them most of the time.
Now if they ran a 90 min scheduled service every hour along with two other through services to Norwich AND could alter the timetable on the whole network to greatly improve resilience of such timings then I would support it whole-heartedly.
1. I dont think we can judge reliability on the basis of 3 return trips.
2. I thought the plan was for Norwich to go to 3tph once the new trains are fully in service.
Was it not just extending the Ipswich semi-fast to Norwich? I'd assume all stops north of Ipswich - perhaps not Needham Market as it's too short.2. - that's what I thought as well, but what will the calling pattern be?
Aw poor you adding a few minutes on to your already short journey.
Was it not just extending the Ipswich semi-fast to Norwich? I'd assume all stops north of Ipswich - perhaps not Needham Market as it's too short.
Indeed. And they're also largely full, with the stoppers also busy throughout the day.Two totally irrelevant arguments.
Cambridge is less than half the distance from London than Norwich (from either London terminal serving it), and about 3 miles more than Colchester is from Liverpool St.
The Cambridge fasts from Kings Cross travel over 100-125mph tracks from Finsbury Park to Hitchin that are quadrupled for over half of the total distance.
Retford and Newark Northgate are stops on a 125mph railway, (which the GEML will never be) so comparisons in times are meaningless. There is no intermediate/slow service from London to those two stations so some of the fasts have to serve them.
So it looks like once the media and politicians have gone home, they've dropped the idea that this flagship train will be given priority at the expense of all others. It's back to business as usual.So today's run times - 84, 88, 94, 97. The third run was held up outside Liv St due to re-platforming, the last was again delayed by late running 1P56 ahead of it. Interesting they didn't decide to loop 1P56 at Diss like last night. Slightly.
Nothing changes. Back in 1987 BBC Look East where up front on the 'East Anglian' for the first 100min electric run from London (relegated to first class in 2019) & striking a bird near Manningtree delayed the train after it hit the air cock on the 86.So it looks like once the media and politicians have gone home, they've dropped the idea that this flagship train will be given priority at the expense of all others. It's back to business as usual.
It’s not simple. Why does Chelmsford and so on need another stopper service? These towns are already served by a few trains hour.
And Norwich is not being singled out. Cambridge itself has a NONSTOP service every hour, that does not stop anywhere.
Retford and Newark are also afforded similar services. Are you now suggesting that they should become stopper services?
Did they actually say that?So it looks like once the media and politicians have gone home, they've dropped the idea that this flagship train will be given priority at the expense of all others. It's back to business as usual.
So it looks like once the media and politicians have gone home, they've dropped the idea that this flagship train will be given priority at the expense of all others. It's back to business as usual.
So it looks like once the media and politicians have gone home, they've dropped the idea that this flagship train will be given priority at the expense of all others. It's back to business as usual.
Your statement is patently not true.N in 90 is all a certain MP has, suspect she will keep on top of it unless she thinks her constituents are too stupid to fact check and uses the tagline as an achievement anyway.
Earlier this month, I wrote to the Secretary of State for Transport, together with other Norfolk MPs in relation to transport priorities for the East and urged him to prioritise three areas:
1. The full dualling of the A47, including the Acle Straight, after completing the current committed works, and consideration of the Western Link between the A47 and the Norwich Northern Distributor Road
2. The feasibility study and associated actions to improve the Ely North rail junction – to unlock half hourly train services to King’s Lynn and Norwich from Cambridge.
3. The promises already made by this Government to make infrastructure improvements to the Great Eastern Mainline so that the new rolling stock will enable ‘Norwich in Ninety’ across the whole timetable rather than the short form promoted in this franchise
I doubt if 'they' (as in GA) would say that but from the first couple of days it seems that other travellers are fair game to be delayed in order to keep an unreliable timetable through the peaks for the sake of one flagship train. It will change when:Did they actually say that?
The 90 minute timings are only achievable on the GEML if all trains run 'Right Time'.Or perhaps the morning trains have just been lucky in that they get a clearer run? Getting a clear run on the evening trains is difficult as it essentially relies on the peak running smoothly, and virtually nothing else. The 90 minute timings seem achievable though.