Route doubles back at Hilsea. Valid via Portsmouth Harbour for interchange purposes only. Going shopping is not interchanging.
There are no barriers at PMH, that's because they platforms are also used to access the IOW fastcat from the street.
Just curious: I can understand the ticket being valid via Fratton for interchange (and I would previously have assumed for BoJ), but why would it be valid all the way onwards to the Harbour just for interchange when you would have saved time by interchanging at Fratton? It seems completely superfluous to have any validity on the section between Fratton and the Harbour.Route doubles back at Hilsea. Valid via Portsmouth Harbour for interchange purposes only. Going shopping is not interchanging.
As a general rule, routeing point groups exist to facilitate easier interchange. The routeing guide specifically permits doubling back within a routeing point group for that purpose (handy at many locations such as Hilsea in this case and Micklefield if interchanging between Selby and York routes, for example, as doublebacks are otherwise forbidden when tracing a permitted route, generally).Just curious: I can understand the ticket being valid via Fratton for interchange (and I would previously have assumed for BoJ), but why would it be valid all the way onwards to the Harbour just for interchange when you would have saved time by interchanging at Fratton? It seems completely superfluous to have any validity on the section between Fratton and the Harbour.
That is fine. You are likely to be OK as this is a fairly complex issue, however we do have to point out the potential risks of this given that we are aware where the problem may lie.Thanks for the responses. I do appreciate the interaction
My reading of the guidelines was that Break of journey is always allowed on a valid route.
I decided to call national rail enquiries. I have details of who I spoke to and the time. I went through all the details and asked this explicit question about going via portsmouth harbour, and a break of journey for shopping. I was explicitly told that it absolutely is valid. no question.
On this basis we'll go ahead. At least if there's any issue we'll pay up and claim back later. Nat Rail should have recordings which can confirm their approval.
I'm not trying to avoid paying anything, simply making the best use of the system that is in place.
thanks
It just so happens that stations in the Portsmouth area are all grouped into one, therefore theoretically allowing someone to go all the way into Harbour and back out, even though almost no one genuinely making an interchange would go all the way there rather than changing at Fratton.