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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

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Just been informed that each set will be lettered inside and out, so for stations with short platforms passengers must look out for stickers X or Y, depending on which unit is leading.
 
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Just been informed that each set will be lettered inside and out, so for stations with short platforms passengers must look out for stickers X or Y, depending on which unit is leading.
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Thats fine until units are reversed formation, as the 444s currently have been with diversions!
 
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Thats fine until units are reversed formation, as the 444s currently have been with diversions!
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Not really?as I understand it Each 5 car unit will have a letter of the alphabet, so for example 442401 will be unit A, 442402 unit B and so on. When the guard arrives they make a note they’ve got unit C and unit G for example. Passengers will be told they need to be in unit C to alight at Clapham junction (unless you’re a wheelchair user but we won’t go into that!)
 
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Confirmed: “On 10th June Class 442 EMUs will be introduced into passenger service”

“There must be a second driver to Monitor the trains routing”

“To simplify the number of restrictions, we have stipulated 442s are not permitted on the UP and DOWN slow lines between Waterloo and Basingstoke. There are also platform limitations at Waterloo”

Absolute joke.....the trains are either ready or not!!
 
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WA_Driver said:
Confirmed: “On 10th June Class 442 EMUs will be introduced into passenger service”

“There must be a second driver to Monitor the trains routing”

“To simplify the number of restrictions, we have stipulated 442s are not permitted on the UP and DOWN slow lines between Waterloo and Basingstoke. There are also platform limitations at Waterloo”

Absolute joke.....the trains are either ready or not!!
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The trains are ready...it’s the railway that's the issue
 
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WA_Driver said:
Confirmed: “On 10th June Class 442 EMUs will be introduced into passenger service”

“There must be a second driver to Monitor the trains routing”

“To simplify the number of restrictions, we have stipulated 442s are not permitted on the UP and DOWN slow lines between Waterloo and Basingstoke. There are also platform limitations at Waterloo”

Absolute joke.....the trains are either ready or not!!
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The 442s always did have platform restrictions at Waterloo. They were not ‘go anywhere’ first time round.
 
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Is this the reason 159s can't divert off the main line and say run via Staines / Hounslow if the line via Wimbledon was blocked?
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159s have run via Staines in the past on planned diversions. The issue with unplanned diversions is crew route knowledge and paths on the Windsor lines.
 
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Not really?as I understand it Each 5 car unit will have a letter of the alphabet, so for example 442401 will be unit A, 442402 unit B and so on. When the guard arrives they make a note they’ve got unit C and unit G for example. Passengers will be told they need to be in unit C to alight at Clapham junction (unless you’re a wheelchair user but we won’t go into that!)
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Apologies misread.I was thinking each coach
 
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159s have run via Staines in the past on planned diversions. The issue with unplanned diversions is crew route knowledge and paths on the Windsor lines.
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159s are cleared via Chertsey, Staines and Twickenham/Brentford however they do have speed restrictions that are only applicable to them as outlined in the sectional appendix.
 
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1B88 0628 Southampton Airport Parkway - Waterloo (arriving 0744) should be the first service, provided all goes well.

The return service would be 1B95 1848 Waterloo - Poole .
 
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1B88 0628 Southampton Airport Parkway - Waterloo (arriving 0744) should be the first service, provided all goes well.

The return service would be 1B95 1848 Waterloo - Poole .
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Might the 1P16 PMH-WAT be first? That is also due to be a 442. Though is there only 1 442 which has been signed off?
 
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Might the 1P16 PMH-WAT be first? That is also due to be a 442. Though is there only 1 442 which has been signed off?
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If you read back a few pages it is fairly clear that the 442s will run with Class 9 headcodes, so look out for them appearing. Last week the 1B88 and 1B95 passenger services mentioned in the post before yours were being altered (ie replaced by STP versions) to class 9 and back on a day to day basis.
 
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pompeyfan said:
Just been informed that each set will be lettered inside and out, so for stations with short platforms passengers must look out for stickers X or Y, depending on which unit is leading.
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Coach letters lasted all of about a week in the 458/5s, and the company wonders why the Windsor Lines has such a high rate of passcom activations at stations with short platforms.
 
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Coach letters lasted all of about a week in the 458/5s, and the company wonders why the Windsor Lines has such a high rate of passcom activations at stations with short platforms.
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I think it’s a slightly different set up to the 458/5s as each unit is individually lettered.

I’d like to see someone go through the effort of pulling an egress on a 442. Passcoms on the other hand....
 
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Is the 1B88 / 9B88 just a short term thing then?
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We don’t really know. The two specific services 1or9B88 and 1or9B95, that are being regularly discussed are important to SWR because they are not actually running yet, so they produce much of the discussion. BUT I would expect all the other potential 442 services that are currently running with 444 or 450 substitutes would also become class 9.

Now AFAICS the route restriction problems are partly mitigated by running as class 9 as a reminder to signallers. We don’t know if NR have plans to reduce the restrictions to a level where special headcodes are not needed. But there has been recent precedents to run specific trains into Waterloo as class 9. It also seems to be becoming more common across the whole NR network.
 
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Apart from Yahoo group ,which I can't find,where can I get unit diagams from?
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I guess you mean all the other 160 odd 444/450 diagrams? You won’t find them online anywhere public I can think of. The Yahoo group (that you can’t find) usually gets carriage working notices (CWNs) rather than diagrams for the southern commuter TOCs.
 
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The two expected 442 passenger service paths for tomorrow have now been changed (within the last hour or two) to 9B88 and 9B95, now showing as VAR paths.
 
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Comments on socials and overheard on the platforms aren’t particularly positive.
 
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