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More dangerous lineside behaviour around Flying Scotsman

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Mathew S

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Except that if one of then gets hit, the line closes and there is disruption - that I suggest is anything but just their problem.
Personally, I would say the costs associated with that should be recovered from the person who caused the incident, ie. the trespasser. If they're deceased, then so be it, the costs should be recovered from their estate. I realise many would take a less harsh line, but that is my view.
 
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This type of behaviour is always associated with Kettles.

"There is a Steamer due soon so we can do what we want"
 

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On the Gloucestershire live website is a video of Flying Scotsman passing through Kemble station. A member of staff has to pull an observer out the way as they lean out over the platform edge in front of the train. :rolleyes:

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/watch-moment-woman-very-near-2982919

Feel for a member of staff having to put themselves in danger for one absolute moron. I feel sorry for our station teams every time it comes through, as they end up being shipped out all over the place to police unstaffed stations to prevent this sort of behaviour. Often getting plenty of abuse just for trying to keep people safe :rolleyes:
 

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if people are too dumb to listen to what they're being told, then that's their own fault and the consequences are their problem, nobody elses.
No, the consequences impact regular travellers on the railway whose trains are delayed or cancelled because people are trespassing. Normal everyday people going to work / visiting family / attending events. The actions of trespassers impact normal people.
 

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Personally, I would say the costs associated with that should be recovered from the person who caused the incident, ie. the trespasser. If they're deceased, then so be it, the costs should be recovered from their estate. I realise many would take a less harsh line, but that is my view.
Fine. So every trespasser will be bankrupt. Happy with that.
 

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This type of behaviour is always associated with Kettles.

Whereas the far more refined diesel bashers settle for getting tanked up on cheap lager and then giving Nazi salutes while leaning out of carriage windows from the waist up.

Kettle plebs:

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Refined basher:

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Whereas the far more refined diesel bashers settle for getting tanked up on cheap lager and then giving Nazi salutes while leaning out of carriage windows from the waist up.

Kettle plebs:

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Refined basher:

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There is of course a video online somewhere of ‘Kevin the Basher’ being taken apart.
It isn’t a Nazi salute however.
Ridiculous? Oh yes.
Nazi salute? No.

God we don’t do ourselves any favours though sometimes do we?
The thought of being lumped in as one with some of these people fills me with absolute horror.
Call bad behaviour out if you see it from other enthusiasts folks because someone has to.
 

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Brilliant!
Those pics are the typical kettle photter and diesel basher
 
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Fine. So every trespasser will be bankrupt. Happy with that.

Instead the government is bankrupt as network rail get the big fine every time tresspasser's cause disruption
 

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Whereas the far more refined diesel bashers settle for getting tanked up on cheap lager and then giving Nazi salutes while leaning out of carriage windows from the waist up.

Kettle plebs:

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Refined basher:

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What a tool in the gas mask.
I bet I’m not the only one wishing a hawthorn would come along & give the person a severe case of face rash?
 

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There are fences, and signs, and an enormous great publicity campaign - several of them, in fact - warning people of the danger of trespassing on the railway. I say again that, in my view, if people are too dumb to listen to what they're being told, then that's their own fault and the consequences are their problem, nobody elses.
The thing is, though, that the consequences are not "nobody else's problem". Never mind about delays & disruption to other people's journeys, the trauma for the staff involved & for the passengers and members of the public who witness fatalities is a very real consequence - and frankly, it's insulting that you dismiss this so glibly. Why do I say that? I have been on the platform when a young man jumped in front of a train and killed himself. That was almost 8 years ago, and to this day there are perfectly ordinary actions that make something in the back of my brain go "uh-oh" when I see people doing them on platforms, and I still sometimes find myself wondering about unknowable questions like "what if I had wandered over and asked 'alright mate?' while he was still sat on the bench?" I only hope that you can recognise the reality of these kind of effects without having to experience them first-hand.

Obviously there's a difference between a person who is suicidal, and someone who is being careless or reckless while wanting to get closer to a steam train, but the consequences if they get hit & killed will be just as horrible.
 

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The thing is, though, that the consequences are not "nobody else's problem". Never mind about delays & disruption to other people's journeys, the trauma for the staff involved & for the passengers and members of the public who witness fatalities is a very real consequence - and frankly, it's insulting that you dismiss this so glibly. Why do I say that? I have been on the platform when a young man jumped in front of a train and killed himself. That was almost 8 years ago, and to this day there are perfectly ordinary actions that make something in the back of my brain go "uh-oh" when I see people doing them on platforms, and I still sometimes find myself wondering about unknowable questions like "what if I had wandered over and asked 'alright mate?' while he was still sat on the bench?" I only hope that you can recognise the reality of these kind of effects without having to experience them first-hand.

Obviously there's a difference between a person who is suicidal, and someone who is being careless or reckless while wanting to get closer to a steam train, but the consequences if they get hit & killed will be just as horrible.
I have been that person on the platform, waiting for a train to come, fully intending to take my own life. It goes through my mind each and every time I stand on a station, and I am painfully aware of all that it entails. I have also attempted to take my own life, albeit not on the railway. I am still here only thanks to the kindness of strangers and incredible good fortune. I certainly don't dismiss any loss of life, nor the consequences for others involved in these incidents, 'glibly' or otherwise, and if you felt insulted, then I can only apologise because that was not my intention.

I feel so strongly about this in part precisely because of the experience I have had. But there is an important distinction to make. These trespassers are not people who are suffering from mental ill health and attempting to use the railway as a means of ending their own lives. They are not the same as the young victim in the tragic incident you experienced, nor are they the same as me when I was in that horrific place myself. A lot, quite rightly, is being done to help people who find themselves in the terrible position of feeling they have no alternative but to attempt suicide, and much more could (and should) be, but that is a different discussion.

Someone who is attempting to take their own life on the railway is doing it not because they want to; they are doing it because they are severely unwell, and not fully in control of their own actions.

The trespassers in these Flying Scotsman incidents are wilfully endangering their own lives, as well the lives and welbeing of potentially hundreds of others including witnesses, and those who have to deal with the aftermath. They are fully aware of what they are doing, and entirely responsible for their own actions. They know - because it is not like it's a secret - that they shouldn't be doing what they are doing. What's worse, in my view, they divert time, energy, resources, and public awareness away from more important issues, such as suicide prevention.

It is the trespassers themselves who are the problem. It is the trespassers themselves who bear responsibility for solving the problem. It is their problem. They do not deserve understanding, nor extra measures being taken to protect them. They deserve to feel the full weight of everything that the law, and the courts, has to throw at them.
 

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I say again that, in my view, if people are too dumb to listen to what they're being told, then that's their own fault and the consequences are their problem, nobody elses.

And its at this point that i need to vent my anger at just how ignorant you really are about all this. I had to leave the railway mainly due to all the stress and issues caused not only by having to deal with suicides but also terrorism and the toll that still takes on my life when i end up thinking about it for days on end when it hits.

Seeing and having to clear and assist with that sort of thing and even having people die when you are trying to revive them after a heart attack leaves lasting memories etched on my soul and always will.

But thanks for thinking we can all just shrug it off in a big manly fashion because you say so
 
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I have been that person on the platform, waiting for a train to come, fully intending to take my own life. It goes through my mind each and every time I stand on a station, and I am painfully aware of all that it entails. I have also attempted to take my own life, albeit not on the railway. I am still here only thanks to the kindness of strangers and incredible good fortune. I certainly don't dismiss any loss of life, nor the consequences for others involved in these incidents, 'glibly' or otherwise, and if you felt insulted, then I can only apologise because that was not my intention.

I feel so strongly about this in part precisely because of the experience I have had. But there is an important distinction to make. These trespassers are not people who are suffering from mental ill health and attempting to use the railway as a means of ending their own lives. They are not the same as the young victim in the tragic incident you experienced, nor are they the same as me when I was in that horrific place myself. A lot, quite rightly, is being done to help people who find themselves in the terrible position of feeling they have no alternative but to attempt suicide, and much more could (and should) be, but that is a different discussion.

Someone who is attempting to take their own life on the railway is doing it not because they want to; they are doing it because they are severely unwell, and not fully in control of their own actions.

The trespassers in these Flying Scotsman incidents are wilfully endangering their own lives, as well the lives and welbeing of potentially hundreds of others including witnesses, and those who have to deal with the aftermath. They are fully aware of what they are doing, and entirely responsible for their own actions. They know - because it is not like it's a secret - that they shouldn't be doing what they are doing. What's worse, in my view, they divert time, energy, resources, and public awareness away from more important issues, such as suicide prevention.

It is the trespassers themselves who are the problem. It is the trespassers themselves who bear responsibility for solving the problem. It is their problem. They do not deserve understanding, nor extra measures being taken to protect them. They deserve to feel the full weight of everything that the law, and the courts, has to throw at them.

An excellent post Mathew and agree wholeheartedly with you. we have much in common and i wish you well
 

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I have been that person on the platform, waiting for a train to come, fully intending to take my own life. It goes through my mind each and every time I stand on a station, and I am painfully aware of all that it entails. I have also attempted to take my own life, albeit not on the railway. I am still here only thanks to the kindness of strangers and incredible good fortune. I certainly don't dismiss any loss of life, nor the consequences for others involved in these incidents, 'glibly' or otherwise, and if you felt insulted, then I can only apologise because that was not my intention.

I feel so strongly about this in part precisely because of the experience I have had. But there is an important distinction to make. These trespassers are not people who are suffering from mental ill health and attempting to use the railway as a means of ending their own lives. They are not the same as the young victim in the tragic incident you experienced, nor are they the same as me when I was in that horrific place myself. A lot, quite rightly, is being done to help people who find themselves in the terrible position of feeling they have no alternative but to attempt suicide, and much more could (and should) be, but that is a different discussion.

Someone who is attempting to take their own life on the railway is doing it not because they want to; they are doing it because they are severely unwell, and not fully in control of their own actions.

The trespassers in these Flying Scotsman incidents are wilfully endangering their own lives, as well the lives and welbeing of potentially hundreds of others including witnesses, and those who have to deal with the aftermath. They are fully aware of what they are doing, and entirely responsible for their own actions. They know - because it is not like it's a secret - that they shouldn't be doing what they are doing. What's worse, in my view, they divert time, energy, resources, and public awareness away from more important issues, such as suicide prevention.

It is the trespassers themselves who are the problem. It is the trespassers themselves who bear responsibility for solving the problem. It is their problem. They do not deserve understanding, nor extra measures being taken to protect them. They deserve to feel the full weight of everything that the law, and the courts, has to throw at them.

Post very well put indeed.
 

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Personally, I would say the costs associated with that should be recovered from the person who caused the incident, ie. the trespasser. If they're deceased, then so be it, the costs should be recovered from their estate. I realise many would take a less harsh line, but that is my view.
I 100% agree with this
 

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Maybe this individual would like to know what happened to that enthusiast who leant out of a 442 on the Brighton Main Line.

Also the very tragic accident involving the young lady who stuck her head out of a moving HST between Bath and Bristol last year, which resulted in her losing her life I believe.
 
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