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The current STP DMU diagram on the Chat Moss is no more from Monday
319 back on it
319 back on it
7x195s, 2x331s is it not?It is 7 diagrams on day one, not 9 units.
That's correct. It should however be noted that the 7 diagrams in the North West in particular are subject to crew availability as not all crews have been trained on the new units. These are being looked at a few days before once rosters are done and older units may be substituted. 7 is a maximum.7x195s, 2x331s is it not?
Northern have been pretty clear the total is 9.
Ah, thanks for that, that clarifies things. Thought I could recall that 150207 was involved, wasn't sure if there were others.The 150/2s from GWR are 202, 207 and 216 which are the Angel ones with 2+3 seating
Very good point.That's correct. It should however be noted that the 7 diagrams in the North West in particular are subject to crew availability as not all crews have been trained on the new units. These are being looked at a few days before once rosters are done and older units may be substituted. 7 is a maximum.
I wish nothing but good luck on the
success of 195s,but let's have them ALL in service before ANY Pacer withdrawals.
Anything less would be premature especially if things go wrong.
Having nothing to fall back on is not ideal if the worst ever happens.
Where do Northern store all these extra units if we keep all these extras in service? I could see them pushing some more off for refurb but in otherwise finding space to store all these extra 80+ units will be a struggle....
I mean, I think it's a daft idea on cost grounds if nothing else, but if you really, really, really wanted to keep all the Pacers until every single new/refurbished train was in service, you could use places like Long Martson, and so on. It's a daft idea, but not actually impossible.Where do Northern store all these extra units if we keep all these extras in service? I could see them pushing some more off for refurb but in otherwise finding space to store all these extra 80+ units will be a struggle....
Isn't there some room at Guide Bridge?
Given the state of some of the ballast wagons that are (or were) on the opposite side of the running lines, it doesn't strike me as an ideal place to store any stock with a use beyond being turned into razor-blades. Not only were many wagons heavily graffitoed, but I recall several had had their unloading hatches opened. Those that were left partly loaded were left stuck as a result.Correct. The sidings to the right of the main line, going towards Stalybridge, are unused these days I think.
It’s not quite that simple. I’ve lost track, and interest, in what new services Northern were supposed to be introducing and which ones have been delayed and which are likely to not happen at all, but York – Scarborough and Middlesbrough – Newcastle certainly look to be happening. There may be others? So, it isn’t just new stock replacing old stock, Northern will require additional units to support the new services. Therefore, it could be more like 50 new units replacing 102 Pacers.All of the cascaded stock has already arrived barring a couple of prospective 150s from GWR, which I'm unsure if they've ever been officially confirmed (150001/002 and a 150/2, I believe). Which does concern me as to how effectively 58 class 195s will directly or indirectly replace 102 Pacer units (None of the new 331s will replace Pacers), given that all that cascaded stock hasn't made the slightest dent in their numbers.
It was The bbc news article that stated end of 2020, could be a mistake or they could have let slip somethingThere was something in the news about the Pacers being withdrawn by the end of 2020 I think I read which I think means the pacers won't be withdrawn on time.
I’m pretty sure I heard the guy from Northern not answering this question on the North West Tonight piece. He certainly seemed to imply from his squirming that there will still be plenty of Pacers in service next year.It was The bbc news article that stated end of 2020, could be a mistake or they could have let slip something
7x195s, 2x331s is it not?
Northern have been pretty clear the total is 9.
I’m pretty sure I heard the guy from Northern not answering this question on the North West Tonight piece. He certainly seemed to imply from his squirming that there will still be plenty of Pacers in service next year.
If we assume a logical cascade, those services which predominantly see Pacers today will see the most basic stock which will be 150s. These are planned for Penistone line services which is pretty solid Pacer territory at present. There may be some local variations down to traction knowledge and specific restrictions (no 150s for Durham Coast for example) but generally speaking Pacers will be replaced directly by Sprinters.Hi guys hope your all enjoying the sun. Does anyone have a more concrete idea of what class will replace the Scunthorpe Doncaster pacers , we've been hearing class 170 ( 2 car) or 2 car 158;, as the Hull via good 158 is getting replaced with the newer trains .
Or is there any substance in the rumour EMT. May operate these services , as they are to Barrow upon Humber . At least they don't have Pacers or to my knowledge 150's
The last time they dumped Pacers it was at Blackpool, is there still space there after the rebuild? Also, is that temporary stabling site in Leyland still there? Personally I think the best place is probably Booth’s thoughWhere do Northern store all these extra units if we keep all these extras in service? I could see them pushing some more off for refurb but in otherwise finding space to store all these extra 80+ units will be a struggle....
Watch this video from the timestamp provided in this link. It's better than that article.News piece on BBC which has lots of words, but confirms nothing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48816961
Some things belong in a museum without people wanting their photo taken next to them. I'm sure you can think of a few.Surely if Pacers were really Museum pieces as Burnham claims then people would be queuing up to get on them (and leaning off platforms to take selfies obvs)?