Tube future notions

[simple simon]

To make a Wimbleware service viable the key is solving the conflict between Wimbleware and Districts at Earls Court (they cross each other on the flat going East right now).

It is an enormous shame that literally right now, to the west of Earls Court, there is a once in a century opportunity to actually do this, because the entire exhibition centre has now been demolished meaning it would be possible to expose the tunnels and create the space needed for a new flyover, hiding and incorporating/hiding the new bridge behind/underneath the redevelopment.

But this is not happening, because money at TfL is too tight to justify it. There are capacity issues on the Wimbledon branch, and it does need more trains, but the strategy is to relieve it with £41bn for Crossrail 2 (which may never get built) rather than a couple hundred million (perhaps even with a developer contribution!) right now.

I very much agree.

I wonder, to solve the Edgware Road capacity issue, would it be possible to build the deep level tube line that the Metropolitan Rly had in mind when it rebuilt Edgware Road?

 

[Dstock7080]

Why is a third branch needed in the west when the other end of the line has just the one route?

As explained above, the relieve the District Line of the Ealing branch so to concentrate on the other services.
Piccadilly can reverse in the east at Cockfosters, Oakwood, Arnos Grove and Wood Green if required.

 

[LUYMun]

Further Northern line extension from Battersea Power Station to Clapham Junction with one or two intermediate stations around Battersea and Albert Bridge.
This future notion will ease pressure on National Rail services going into London Waterloo or Victoria, and the London Overground's southern orbital line. It also is more convenient than Crossrail 2 because the Northern line already takes direct links to Central London.

 

[Hadders]

The Northern Line would be overwhelmed if it went to Clapham Junction, given the number of people that would change there.

If the Underground is to serve Clapham Junction then a complete new line would be needed, rather than an extension of an existing one.

 

[ijmad]

The Northern Line would be overwhelmed if it went to Clapham Junction, given the number of people that would change there.

I think the planners agree, until Crossrail 2 is built, at which point it will attract away significant numbers of Northern Line passengers.

If the Underground is to serve Clapham Junction then a complete new line would be needed, rather than an extension of an existing one.

This is exactly what Crossrail 2 will be for those coming in on services to CJ who want to continue on in to the West End or the city.

 

[BartTheAnorak]

I think the planners agree, until Crossrail 2 is built, at which point it will attract away significant numbers of Northern Line passengers.



This is exactly what Crossrail 2 will be for those coming in on services to CJ who want to continue on in to the West End or the city.

Thus virtually emptying Victoria and Waterloo at surface level?

 

[rebmcr]

Thus virtually emptying Victoria and Waterloo at surface level?

More like allowing those terminals to cater for unmet demand on the non-CR2 branches.

 

[BartTheAnorak]

More like allowing those terminals to cater for unmet demand on the non-CR2 branches.

I don't see the logic. It would leave pretty much no non-CR2 branches from the SWML (at least not terminating within the capital). Could help Victoria but only by having loads of people change at Clapham Junction. Very few northbound trains on the Southern route don't call there as I recall.

 

[rebmcr]

It would leave pretty much no non-CR2 branches from the SWML (at least not terminating within the capital).

Which ones?

 

[Sad Sprinter]

Will there ever be a Hainault via Woodford service again?

 

[bluegoblin7]

Will there ever be a Hainault via Woodford service again?

Yes, daily.

 

[Sad Sprinter]

Yes, daily.

You mean once per day?

 

[Dstock7080]

You mean once per day?

Sunday 26 January 2020 new timetable WTT70 will reintroduce Hainault-Woodford shuttles all day.

 

[swt_passenger]

I don't see the logic. It would leave pretty much no non-CR2 branches from the SWML (at least not terminating within the capital). Could help Victoria but only by having loads of people change at Clapham Junction. Very few northbound trains on the Southern route don't call there as I recall.

Post Crossrail 2 there are certain existing SWR services (about 7 or 8 that currently weave from slows to fasts in the Surbiton area) that will remain on the slows all the way into Waterloo. They will release space for additional longer distance services. Probably getting off topic for this discussion though.