6Gtraincrew
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Just noticed a post by someone on twitter who has been to Vivarail for a nosey around and they say that wireless charging will be at some of the table seats on the tfw sets.
I agree with that, but I wonder at so low voltages and current it's that material.Wireless charging, whilst a few seconds more convenient, is quite wasteful compared to wired charging (no source, but I seem to remember that comparatively about 70% of the energy is wasted).
Wireless charging, whilst a few seconds more convenient, is quite wasteful compared to wired charging (no source, but I seem to remember that comparatively about 70% of the energy is wasted). Probably a drop in the ocean, but nonetheless not ideal.
The big upside on a train is that you don't need to carry anything around to charge. At home it's probably fairly pointless, when out and about is where it has value.
In my mind the problem is the phone rather than the train, why this capability needs to be built into trains due to a design/capability flaw in mobile phones is beyond meThe big upside on a train is that you don't need to carry anything around to charge. At home it's probably fairly pointless, when out and about is where it has value.
Anyhow, it just grates with me that a new source of inefficiency is being introduced, in this case actually powered by diesel fuel, for a very marginal convenience.
In my mind the problem is the phone rather than the train, why this capability needs to be built into trains due to a design/capability flaw in mobile phones is beyond me
So why don't all trains have catering or for that matter toilets?Because rail travel should be convenient to passengers, and one way it can be convenient is in encouraging the use of mobile devices on board, which one cannot use when driving.
Adding wireless charging doesn't reduce passenger capacity. Those other things do.So why don't all trains have catering or for that matter toilets?
The big upside on a train is that you don't need to carry anything around to charge. At home it's probably fairly pointless, when out and about is where it has value.
My point wasn't about capacity it was about why wireless charging should take precedence over other forms of comfort not afforded to drivers. Trains are transport not your front lounge!Adding wireless charging doesn't reduce passenger capacity. Those other things do.
My opinion of wireless phone charging is the opposite, it's convenient in private locations, not public ones.
At home, in your car, at an office desk it's convenient.
Places you'll be for hours on end and you have no qualms about leaving it for hours.
Nonetheless I have no issue with it being there on trains. It's convenient for those who can make use of it, why not?
"I need to charge my phone..."
We really don't need another way for mobile devices to cause annoyance and arguments on trains.
It doesn't take precedence over any of the other forms of comfort. Where is it suggested that it does? That it may exist on trains without toilets does not mean it has taken precedence over them, it means wireless charging was practical/appropriate to install and toilets were not.My point wasn't about capacity it was about why wireless charging should take precedence over other forms of comfort not afforded to drivers. Trains are transport not your front lounge!
But where is there a human right that says you must have access to phone charging?It doesn't take precedence over any of the other forms of comfort. Where is it suggested that it does? That it may exist on trains without toilets does not mean it has taken precedence over them, it means wireless charging was practical/appropriate to install and toilets were not.
It's entirely possible to have brought your phone and forgot your charger. I tend not to be as gaumless as that but it happens to plenty of people. With the advent of popular phones like the iphone supporting wireless charging, having them on the train could prove very useful to anybody that finds themselves in that predicament. The elephant in the room of course is the fact that even the plug sockets on trains are very often out of use. The reliability of wireless charging points is yet to be proven - I have no reason to suspect it'll be any better.
There isn't. Nor is there one that says you must have catering on your conveyance. You aren't going to starve to death in the duration of a journey (insert TOC delay gag here). If you want food/drink you could buy it before/after your journey and take it with you.But where is there a human right that says you must have access to phone charging?
But where is there a human right that says you must have access to phone charging?
That's my pointThere isn't. Nor is there one that says you must have catering on your conveyance. You aren't going to starve to death in the duration of a journey (insert TOC delay gag here). If you want food/drink you could buy it before/after your journey and take it with you.
Exactly!It's not about human rights, it's about providing convenient features which encourage passengers to use the train.
I’ve tapped people on the shoulder a few times asking them to plug in my charger at their table seat when I’ve been sat behind them ,I’ve yet to have a punch up !"I need to charge my phone..."
We really don't need another way for mobile devices to cause annoyance and arguments on trains.
Doesn't make any sense to me I'm afraid. Why is there an issue with putting wireless chargers on trains? I'm not sure I see what the problem is.That's my point
There isn't a point. I think that punctuality and reliability should take precedence over convenience. And in the case of the 230s and for that matter most trains more focus is required on these areas than novelties such as wireless phone chargingDoesn't make any sense to me I'm afraid. Why is there an issue with putting wireless chargers on trains? I'm not sure I see what the problem is.
I can't see it having an effect on reliability / the rate at which faults with the necessary equipment get resolved, it's just a quick win solution that can be added to help with customer satisfaction and maybe offset the complaints about service reliability a little.There isn't a point. I think that punctuality and reliability should take precedence over convenience. And in the case of the 230s and for that matter most trains more focus is required on these areas than novelties such as wireless phone charging
I disagree, in the case of 230s that don't have a faultless reliability record it is a distraction from getting the basics right. I'm sorry if I sound negative, I'm all for Wifi, wired charging, wireless charging, streamed media, etc. etc. but until the basics are being delivered, namely no cancellations these technologies are simply a distractionI can't see it having an effect on reliability / the rate at which faults with the necessary equipment get resolved, it's just a quick win solution that can be added to help with customer satisfaction and maybe offset the complaints about service reliability a little.