Hull Trains 802: Construction updates

[WatcherZero]

Mod Note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/fire-on-board-hull-trains-1a93.164256/

Unlucky coincidence for Hull, today was the day they announced their new livery.

 

[hexagon789]

Unlucky coincidence for Hull, today was the day they announced their new livery.

That's quite nice, presumably the 180s won't get that livery though?

 

[talltim]

That's quite nice, presumably the 180s won't get that livery though?

They could do with a livery that looks pre-smoked

 

[hexagon789]

They could do with a livery that looks pre-smoked

To hide any fire damage?

 

[Bletchleyite]

That livery is nice, reminds me of the SNCF "En Voyage" IC livery.

 

[nat67]

Unlucky coincidence for Hull, today was the day they announced their new livery.

They do look nicer than a 180, I would happily travel on one with coat hanger up.

 

[randyrippley]

Unlucky coincidence for Hull, today was the day they announced their new livery.

Taking a tip from the RAF with a high visibility black nose............
Did no-one tell them it only works in silhouette?

 

[randyrippley]

They could do with a livery that looks pre-smoked

well, this one looks pre-oiled

 

[IanXC]

As a quick reminder here are the 80x threads:

London North Eastern Railway
Great Western Railway
Transpennine Express
Hull Trains

Staying on topic in each would be appreciated!

 

[NoOnesFool]

Mod Note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/fire-on-board-hull-trains-1a93.164256/

Unlucky coincidence for Hull, today was the day they announced their new livery.

The whole train looks like a giant executive pen in that livery.

 

[Polarbear]

The sooner these arrive for HT, the better. They're having a torrid time of it at the moment with the 180's.

 

[samuelmorris]

Being an open-access operator, has much been said about the interior for these units? Presumably it's not subject to the usual DfT mandated standard?

 

[XCTurbostar]

Bit late to this discussion (I know). Since this order is part of the GWR 802 order with Eversholt Rail for First Group, I would expect the interior to be the same as the GWR units.

 

[TBSchenker]

The TPE ones we also part of the same orders were they? They’re getting TPE specified interiors, so highly likely Hull Trains is specifying their interior.

Aren’t the GWR ordered 802s having the same basic DfT specified interiors of the 80x?

 

[jimm]

The official line is that the Hull 802s will have 20 per cent more seats than a Class 180.

Taking 272 seats and adding 54 gives 326, which sounds to me as though it will be fitted out just like a GWR five-car 800 or 802.

Customers will also benefit from 20% more seating capacity compared to current services, as well as new interiors for greater customer comfort.

https://www.firstgroupplc.com/news-and-media/latest-news/2018/28-08-18b.aspx

 

[DarloRich]

Are there target dates for delivery & entry into service?

 

[jimm]

In service for December 2019, according to the First Group statement I linked to in the post above

 

[Clip]

Thats a lovely looking colour that

 

[Clarence Yard]

Bit late to this discussion (I know). Since this order is part of the GWR 802 order with Eversholt Rail for First Group, I would expect the interior to be the same as the GWR units.

No, there were not. Completely separate procurement for both fleets - nothing to do with the GWR options. But there was a cost to moving away from the Hitachi standard interior spec. and delivery timescales would have slipped if they did. December 2019 was a must because that was when the new ECML Timetable was originally scheduled to be in and 180 units would have been too slow for the likely new paths that HT would have been offered.

 

[rdlover777]

that livery looks alot easier to draw as i'm doing diagrams for Wikipedia

 

[Japan0913]

Hull Trains £60 million Class 802s to arrive from August.
17/06/2019 railmagazine
https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/hull-trains-class-802s-to-arrive-from-august

Construction of five Class 802/3s for Hull Trains remains on schedule, with the first set due in the UK on August 29.
The five sets are now all at Pistoia, Italy, where they are being assembled by Hitachi. They will follow the final sets for TransPennine Express being built at the site. The bodyshells were constructed at Kasado, Japan. Seats are being manufactured by Fainsa in Barcelona.
HT is investing £60 million in the trains, which will enter traffic this November and replace the four Class 180s and two High Speed Trains it currently uses.

Richard Vernon, Fleet Project Engineer at Hull Trains said: “We are on schedule for the first train to arrive in the UK in August, and by November the first train will be in passenger use.”

 

[westv]

I wonder if we'll finally get a seat selection map on HT's website when these start running?!

 

[absolutelymilk]

https://www.hulltrains.co.uk/news/2...92nYqni1n5EvdAXyUXqqkAQXmMPz7U2pnBhS69m-f7QT8

The first of the five new trains is due to arrive in the UK during the first week in September and is on time to be rolled into passenger use in October.

Not much longer to wait! Is driver training already underway then if they can get it in service so soon?

 

[swt_passenger]

https://www.hulltrains.co.uk/news/2...92nYqni1n5EvdAXyUXqqkAQXmMPz7U2pnBhS69m-f7QT8

Not much longer to wait! Is driver training already underway then if they can get it in service so soon?

“Rolled into passenger use?” Maybe they don’t expect them to be fully working...

 

[superkev]

At least, unlike for example Northern, they dont need to train hundreds of drivers for just one route so it may happen fairly quickly.
K

 

[NoMorePacers]

They've been borrowing TPE's new 802s for crew training (as far as I'm aware), so I suspect they want a very swift rollout of them.

 

[Class 170101]

They've been borrowing TPE's new 802s for crew training (as far as I'm aware), so I suspect they want a very swift rollout of them.

May HT not have any choice? The 180s are wanted at MML promptly aren't they?

 

[NoMorePacers]

May HT not have any choice? The 180s are wanted at MML promptly aren't they?

From what I can remember they started borrowing the TPE IETs before the East Midlands franchise was awarded.

Also unless I'm mistaken don't Grand Central have first refusal over where the HT 180s go?

 

[westv]

Please HTs, give us a seat selector map when your news trains come into service!

 

[swt_passenger]

From what I can remember they started borrowing the TPE IETs before the East Midlands franchise was awarded.

Also unless I'm mistaken don't Grand Central have first refusal over where the HT 180s go?

Clearly not, as they have been announced internally as going to the East Midlands franchise.