Willseden green to Aldgate During Jubilee Line Disruption

[westv]

When there is distruption on the Jubilee line is there ever any point in getting a service back to Wembley Park and getting the Met from there?
I've done it a couple of times and both times I've ended up feeling it's been a waste of time.

It doesn't help that a lot of the Aldgate services in the morning don't seem to call at Wembley Park - the opposite of what I'd always assumed looking at the on train line maps.

 

[LUYMun]

It doesn't help that a lot of the Aldgate services in the morning don't seem to call at Wembley Park - the opposite of what I'd always assumed looking at the on train line maps.

I agree with you, many of the fast services in particular do this as to quickly get to the city for Amersham/Chesham commuters. It sounds great for them, but for commuters closer to Central London would be unfair for them, making them get a semi fast/stopping Met train. Wembley Park is also a key interchange too, as passengers from stations of the Jubilee line also rely on the Met.

There also were early morning and late evening trains calling at Neasden and Willesden Green stations until 2012, when the A60/62 stocks were scrapped. Having Met trains stopped at those two stations during peak hours would be better for commuters around those areas for faster trains to the City.

At West Hampstead, there is a proposal that the Met should have platforms there and call at that station rather than Finchley Road, as it's suitable to stop at a hub, where the Jubilee, Overground and Thameslink interchange (and possibly the Chiltern lines too).

 

[WideRanger]

In the morning peak, if travelling from Wembley Park to Finchley Road, the Met line is rarely more than 3 minutes quicker than the Jubilee. And the Jubilee is often faster than the Met line because of congestion. So in normal circumstances I would never double back to Wembley Park to get a train in from there. However, I can see the sense if the Jubilee Line is very disrupted Southbound.

Going North is slightly different - there's normally a much clearer difference in time between the Met and the Jubilee, because the Met doesn't tend to queue going north because the trains alternate between the two northbound platforms at Wembley Park at the time of greatest congestion.

I have found the Jubilee is takes a similar time (or less) than the Met between Finchley Road and Baker Street in both directions. So if the journey involves going on the Jubilee or Bakerloo south of Baker Street, it's always quicker to change at Finchley Road.

 

[westv]

Problems again this morning. I waited at Willesden Green but then it was announced that passengers were "strongly advised" to travel to Wembley Park - but again it looked like I would have been better off waiting.

On another note, why announce the service is "suspended between Green Park and Stratford" when it's clearly suspended on the rest of the line southbound?

 

[Dstock7080]

On another note, why announce the service is "suspended between Green Park and Stratford" when it's clearly suspended on the rest of the line southbound?

Southbound trains were operating to Charing Cross.

 

[westv]

Southbound trains were operating to Charing Cross.

They weren't going anywhere when I was at Willesden Green at around 8:30am.

 

[londonboi198o5]

They weren't going anywhere when I was at Willesden Green at around 8:30am.

Services were briefly suspended Green Park to Stratford with severe delays to the rest.

Due to trains having to terminate at green park then head down to Charing Cross to reverse it can quickly become quite congested. So services would be held in platforms longer than normal then moved up hence why it would look like nothing was moving

 

[philthetube]

I agree with you, many of the fast services in particular do this as to quickly get to the city for Amersham/Chesham commuters. It sounds great for them, but for commuters closer to Central London would be unfair for them, making them get a semi fast/stopping Met train. Wembley Park is also a key interchange too, as passengers from stations of the Jubilee line also rely on the Met.

There also were early morning and late evening trains calling at Neasden and Willesden Green stations until 2012, when the A60/62 stocks were scrapped. Having Met trains stopped at those two stations during peak hours would be better for commuters around those areas for faster trains to the City.

At West Hampstead, there is a proposal that the Met should have platforms there and call at that station rather than Finchley Road, as it's suitable to stop at a hub, where the Jubilee, Overground and Thameslink interchange (and possibly the Chiltern lines too).

That is not correct, certainly not since 2001 and I suspect a long time before that, The only time they call at these stations is occasionally when there is engineering work on the Jubilee line and in case of shutdowns, when they can be used for evacuation purposes, (not sure if Neasden north is still available though).

 

[rebmcr]

Due to trains having to terminate at green park then head down to Charing Cross to reverse it can quickly become quite congested.

I've been on the Green Park EB platform during such disruption in the past — the CSAs really have to be on the top of their game to get the trains tipped out and on their way quickly and smoothly.

 

[westv]

In the morning peak, if travelling from Wembley Park to Finchley Road, the Met line is rarely more than 3 minutes quicker than the Jubilee. And the Jubilee is often faster than the Met line because of congestion. So in normal circumstances I would never double back to Wembley Park to get a train in from there. However, I can see the sense if the Jubilee Line is very disrupted Southbound.

Going North is slightly different - there's normally a much clearer difference in time between the Met and the Jubilee, because the Met doesn't tend to queue going north because the trains alternate between the two northbound platforms at Wembley Park at the time of greatest congestion.

Is that why it often seems in the morning at Finchley Road that there are 3 southbound Jubilee line services for every Met line service and the reverse in the evening?

 

[WideRanger]

Is that why it often seems in the morning at Finchley Road that there are 3 southbound Jubilee line services for every Met line service and the reverse in the evening?

I'm not an expert, but I thought the reason there seems to be more trains in any period is because the Jubilee Line is timetabled at a much higher frequency than the Metropolitan Line. So there doesn't just seem to be more trains, there are more trains.

 

[westv]

I'm not an expert, but I thought the reason there seems to be more trains in any period is because the Jubilee Line is timetabled at a much higher frequency than the Metropolitan Line. So there doesn't just seem to be more trains, there are more trains.

I also said there just seemed to be more Met trains northbound in the evening.

 

[WideRanger]

I also said there just seemed to be more Met trains northbound in the evening.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant.

I haven't noticed more Mets than Jubilee in the evening at Finchley Road. But that's probably because I'm tired and not very attentive, rather than any evidence of anything.

 

[philthetube]

There are the same number of trains out morning and evening, as as there is nowhere to store trains in the city the frequency must be the same.

 

[westv]

I didn't say it wasn't the same, I said it just seemed different - especially when the gap between Jubilee lines trains can sometimes be 8 minutes or so around 6ish.

 

[Dstock7080]

There are the same number of trains out morning and evening, as as there is nowhere to store trains in the city the frequency must be the same.

There is one more additional train M-F evenings, T474 departs Neasden depot 17.28-23.29 Uxbridge sidings
48 trains morning peak, 49 evening