Poll: Potential General Election: who are you voting for?

[DynamicSpirit]

A good guess would also be most members on here support public transport and would like to see more money invested in the railways.
That's more likely to happen with a non Tory government.

I wondered about that possibility as well. Also could be that supporting public transport is correlated with being very concerned about the environment and climate change, something that the Tories tend to be quite weak on. The only thing is though - that would help to explain higher support for the LibDems amongst railforums members, but I can't really see how that would explain higher support for Remain?

 

[St Rollox]

Take it there's not too many on here from Northern Ireland.
Then again i don't blame them.
NIR other than upgrades to the infrastructure there's not much than a lot of talk. There's still no sign after about six decades of additions to the network and electrification might come quicker in a Third World country with no railway.

 

[Geezertronic]

Whatever the future election result, it looks like a coalition government of which kind I am unsure.

 

[edwin_m]

I wondered about that possibility as well. Also could be that supporting public transport is correlated with being very concerned about the environment and climate change, something that the Tories tend to be quite weak on. The only thing is though - that would help to explain higher support for the LibDems amongst railforums members, but I can't really see how that would explain higher support for Remain?

Because Leaving results in us not being subject to EU environmental standards, and although the Tories say these would be preserved they have said many other things about Brexit that have proved to be false?

Because Leaving results in reduced trade with our nearest neighbours in the hope of striking trade deals with far corners of the globe - which if it happens as planned will significantly increase the environmental consequences of international transport?

Because Leaving impoverises the economy, making it harder to raise the tax revenue needed to support decent public transport and environmental measures?

Because most of the prominent climate deniers are also Brexiters?

 

[najaB]

I'm torn between SNP and Lib Dem.

 

[404250]

and yet you havent been back with any comment. I wonder why?

Because if I haven't read it I can't comment on it?

 

[DarloRich]

Because if I haven't read it I can't comment on it?

I know there are some big words but if you try really hard you might be able to mange it.

 

[Aictos]

For me it is difficult because while I prefer a strong leader and stability, all three parties have to some degree policies which I like the sound of but can’t just vote on that alone.

Example I like the idea of restructuring the railway along the lines of renationalising however the way Labour has proposed it has led to searching questions on if their way is the right way.

A better method would be to follow the EU model and have one operator run trains and one operator run infrastructure.

As to the EU, while I appreciate having a strong relationship and yes I would have been contend with the UK joining the Schengen Agreement and doing away with passport checks for EU nationals in the mean time we have to accept that what is done is done and we should be trying on both sides to reach a workable agreement.

 

[muddythefish]

The Tories said Ed Milliband would be a catastrophe who would plunge us into penury with his ideas about improving pay and productivity. They then tried to pilfer most of his ideas.

After 12 years of monumental Tory ineptitude, from the Osborne-Cameron spivvery, and May's rolling years of superlative failure, we are landed with their most refined, bull****ting, arrogant, inept and sociopathic product yet, straight from that same Etonian/Oxford/Bullingdon Club stable of puffed up self serving, toxic incompetents.

That game is finally up as it is now impossible not to recognise the gargantuan cost the UK pays for a system that fast tracks these low grade, privileged twerps straight from Oxbridge into the top echelons of government.

 

[talltim]

I know there are some big words but if you try really hard you might be able to mange it.

https://www.naturalreaders.com/onli...df1-0e74330c4f88.pdf&t=NaturalReader Document
There you go 404250, just press play..

 

[404250]

Er no. I could maNGe it by myself if I wanted to.

 

[DerekC]

I live in True Blue Tory country but expect to vote Lib Dem again, although if Nick Clegg hadn't been so naïve over his relationship with David Cameron we might not be in the current mess! To quote one of my sons-in-law on the day after the Referendum: "How can anyone ever vote Conservative again?". What I really want is Paddy Ashdown for PM, but sadly it never happened …..

 

[wireforever]

The chancellor today in his waffling speech having being warned twice by the speaker for going off topic promised more transport funding for the north.I would hope it is for public transport railways trams buses what gets me is the current governments climate change agenda and the fact that new roads M way 'upgrades to a smart M way' always get funding making people possibly use the car even more.If there is a change of Gov't hopefully they will scrap the annual rail fare rise in January or freeze it to help long suffering passengers finances as there will be no more EU money coming into Govt coffers even a Tory Govt if re elected after a possible General Election will have to spend more money to stop the economy going pear shaped after brexit

 

[Bevan Price]

The anti-Boris people seem to have neglected one potential problem. Even we (UK) get a law requiring us to get an agreement before Brexit, there is a distinct possibility that "Rest of EU" will say NO. We are fed up; no further extensions - you are "out" after 31 October.

 

[edwin_m]

The anti-Boris people seem to have neglected one potential problem. Even we (UK) get a law requiring us to get an agreement before Brexit, there is a distinct possibility that "Rest of EU" will say NO. We are fed up; no further extensions - you are "out" after 31 October.

I did raise that possibility in one or other of these threads. Boris making a pass at Macron's wife at the summit would probably do the trick.

I'm delighted to see banner advertising appearing on this forum captioned JOIN ME with a picture of the Boris. Delighted because I'd never vote for him in a thousand years, so the demon profiling isn't as good as he thinks it is and he's paying for me to express anti-Boris opinions on the forum.

 

[Kite159]

The anti-Boris people seem to have neglected one potential problem. Even we (UK) get a law requiring us to get an agreement before Brexit, there is a distinct possibility that "Rest of EU" will say NO. We are fed up; no further extensions - you are "out" after 31 October.

Agreed, at some point the other countries will say enough is enough, either withdraw A50 or you are out without a deal

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For me, if an election happens, it will probably be a vote for the Lib Dems, as the least worse option. Not like it will make any difference for this area as it is strongly Tory (and at one stage was being considered to have Boris parachuted in as it was a safe seat with the MP at the time due to retire)

 

[Busaholic]

The anti-Boris people seem to have neglected one potential problem. Even we (UK) get a law requiring us to get an agreement before Brexit, there is a distinct possibility that "Rest of EU" will say NO. We are fed up; no further extensions - you are "out" after 31 October.

There are HUGE hurdles to overcome for all anti-no dealers, even if we didn't have a sub-Trumpian gangster operation masquerading as our government which will seek to manipulate everything and everybody to achieve Cumming's Way, or however they think of it. Jenny Russell, Times journalist, revealed a fortnight ago how things would pan out up to and including last night, and Cummings and co were only thwarted (so far) from achieving their dastardly way because they (understandably, but wrongly) assumed Corbyn was too dumb not to fall for the prospect of an imminent general election.

 

[DanNCL]

Boris Johnson has failed to get a super majority for his motion to call an early General Election this evening. 298 votes for, 56 against. Labour abstained

 

[DarloRich]

Comedy gold.

 

[Kite159]

Boris Johnson has failed to get a super majority for his motion to call an early General Election this evening. 298 votes for, 56 against. Labour abstained

You mean the party which has been demanding a general election for the last 2 years decided they don't actually want a general election...

...Like DarloRich said, Comedy Gold from Jezza

 

[Busaholic]

You mean the party which has been demanding a general election for the last 2 years decided they don't actually want a general election...

...Like DarloRich said, Comedy Gold from Jezza

No, they just refused to fall into the elephant trap. Labour will vote for an election as soon as (or if) the no-deal scenario is outlawed. I seem to remember (it was only yesterday after all!) that it was Johnson who said he didn't want an election and (stupidly) claimed the general public didn't want one either.

 

[Geezertronic]

Or Labour will vote for a General
election when they are likely to win one. Typical that on the night that any potential renegotiation with the EU is dashed, Labour in the main abstain from voting for/against a General Election.

All a waste of time. Table a motion to revoke Article 50 if they are that serious about thwarting brexit so we can progress

 

[DarloRich]

You mean the party which has been demanding a general election for the last 2 years decided they don't actually want a general election...

...Like DarloRich said, Comedy Gold from Jezza

I actually meant comedy gold via de piffle. He expected Corbyn to run head long into the election trap he thought he was laying and despite being a complete head the ball he saw the trap and aise stepped it.

De piffle has actually made clown corbtn look sensible and statesman like at times! Incredible.

They will agree the election when no deal is off rhe table. Very sensible becuase Johnson cant be trusted and without a majority there is sod all he can do about it.

 

[Cowley]

I actually meant comedy gold via de piffle. He expected Corbyn to run head long into the election trap he thought he was laying and despite being a complete head the ball he saw the trap and aise stepped it.

De piffle has actually made clown corbtn look sensible and statesman like at times! Incredible.

They will agree the election when no deal is off rhe table. Very sensible becuase Johnson cant be trusted and without a majority there is sod all he can do about it.

I mean I’m not particularly a fan of Corbyn, but touch wood he seems to be finally doing something of use at the moment.

Rees-Mogg did BJ no favours with his arrogant ‘we’ve got this covered’ lolling in the Commons yesterday either. That’s the one that’s made me chuckle the most this last couple of days.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

I actually meant comedy gold via de piffle. He expected Corbyn to run head long into the election trap he thought he was laying and despite being a complete head the ball he saw the trap and aise stepped it.

De piffle has actually made clown corbtn look sensible and statesman like at times! Incredible.

They will agree the election when no deal is off rhe table. Very sensible becuase Johnson cant be trusted and without a majority there is sod all he can do about it.

I rather fear that an election even after the no-deal law has been passed could be an elephant trap. Pro-Remain vote split between Labour and the LibDems in England, pro-Brexit vote likely to largely fall behind the Tories if Boris looks like he can achieve leaving on 31 Oct. Under our absurd electoral system, that's a potential recipe for a Tory landslide, even if pro-remain votes outnumber pro-leave votes, and even if the Tories only get about 30% of the votes (which I believe is about their current opinion poll showing).

Of course if an election can be held AFTER the no-deal law has been passed AND after Boris has had to ask the EU for, and been granted, an extension, completely destroying his campaign-defining pledge to leave the EU by 31 October, then Tories are likely to lose a lot of votes to the Brexit party, splitting the pro-leave vote. Then a hung Parliament looks much more likely, and it would make much more sense for the opposition to agree to an election. But, if we get to that point, then I wouldn't be surprised if Boris suddenly comes up with some excuse for why an election isn't really necessary after all.

 

[GusB]

I mean I’m not particularly a fan of Corbyn, but touch wood he seems to be finally doing something of use at the moment.

Rees-Mogg did BJ no favours with his arrogant ‘we’ve got this covered’ lolling in the Commons yesterday either. That’s the one that’s made me chuckle the most this last couple of days.

This made me chuckle earlier.

 

[Cowley]

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This made me chuckle earlier.

That was mentioned on the radio today but I hadn’t seen it until you posted it.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

That was mentioned on the radio today but I hadn’t seen it until you posted it.

I also love that. But is it correct? When and how exactly did the majority fall from 17, to 11, to 8, to 1?

 

[Cowley]

I also love that. But is it correct? When and how exactly did the majority fall from 17, to 11, to 8, to 1?

I don’t know. I’ll table a motion that you probably know more about the statistics than me DS.
I’m off to bed with the missus. Hopefully she’ll help me forget about the complicated politics.

 

[swj99]

Quite an easy decision for me. I'm not a millionaire and I care about people. On the basis that it's usually a 2 horse race and the fact I would never vote for a party which has allowed endless people to starve and die on the streets, I'll be voting labour.