Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

[Bletchleyite]

195118 just turned up at Oxford Rd on 1F97. As an aside, the doors opened then immediately closed on waiting passengers.

I remain astonished they are permitted to remain in service with a fault like that.

 

[a_c_skinner]

Yes, amazing. Amazing that they were made like that, amazing that testing didn't reveal it and amazing they remain in use. Actually of course it isn't amazing at all, which is deeply upsetting.

 

[507021]

Cheers. I did wonder if anyone was bothered, so I’m glad it is of use to you. Some of the stuff is more difficult to see such is anything in the pit or on 2 shed road but usually it ends up on another road before too long.

I'm trying to keep track of when the 195s and 331s are delivered, so your updates are very useful indeed.

 

[superkev]

195 111 was out on the Calder Valley today on Bradford- Todmordon - Bradford training.
K

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

195 111 was out on the Calder Valley today on Bradford- Todmorden - Bradford training.
K

Yes I saw that at Hebden Bridge.
Presumably part of training for introduction on the Leeds-Chester route (which I happened to be using)?

 

[js1000]

195118 just turned up at Oxford Rd on 1F97. As an aside, the doors opened then immediately closed on waiting passengers.

Why does the door fault always seem to happen at Oxford Road...? (more than other stations anyway)

 

[InOban]

I haven't time to go back through this thread, but do they change drivers there? I thought that, as soon as the driver takes out his key (or whatever they use) the doors close...

 

[superkev]

Yes I saw that at Hebden Bridge.
Presumably part of training for introduction on the Leeds-Chester route (which I happened to be using)?

Think there training Manchester drivers on the 195s based on Huddersfield usually with trips down the calder valley and the Leeds drivers at Doncaster. The training route for units is often not related to the route the units may be used on. For example 170 type training was done on the Nottingham line which they have never operated.
K

 

[Stuwhu]

Well finally got my first ride on one of these, the 1137 from East Didsbury to Wigan on Saturday, it was 20 minutes late leaving, got on, thought this was nice, then promptly got turfed off at Oxford Rd as I believe the windscreen wiper wasn't working.. so it was onwards on a Sprinter.

 

[Llama]

That'd have been 195116 with the dodgy wiper, it got sent round to Newton Heath for repairs. Certainly not the only one to have the wiper motor fail recently.

 

[Staffordian]

195118 just turned up at Oxford Rd on 1F97. As an aside, the doors opened then immediately closed on waiting passengers.

Out of interest, when this happens, does the door alarm sound, or is the whole sequence silent ?

 

[Aivilo]

From a drivers perspective this seems to perfectly fit in with conductors over riding the ASDO at stations.

 

[Ih8earlies]

Had my first ride on a 195 today.

Things I was surprised by:
1. The seats are personally actually ok comfort-wise. But they are quite narrow and have atrociously little leg room. (I had 2x airline seats to myself and had to spread my legs into the aisle/next seat-side to accommodate my legs.)

2. The Aircon is appallingly bad. It wasn't that warm outside when I boarded - but inside both carriages of 195001 it was sweltering. (It was definitelyon and running as I could feel the air circulating)

3. The PIS actually shows the interior saloon temperature on screen! It was showing 31 degrees Celsius in both carriages- a nice feature if the aircon actually worked well.

4. No end of carriage doors between carriages? Eh?

5. These units have electronic seat reservation hardware built in?

Anyway. Nice enough apart from the aircon.

 

[Aivilo]

Have been some issues with Aircon/HVAC. I passed back from Oxford road last Wednesday and the saloon was almost unbearable. Spoke with the guard but driver said it was on the blink

 

[js1000]

4. No end of carriage doors between carriages? Eh?

I was exactly like that when I heard they would have no carriage doors. But they work surprisingly well. Solidly sound-proofed and make the train appear more spacious.

 

[ic31420]

I was exactly like that when I heard they would have no carriage doors. But they work surprisingly well. Solidly sound-proofed and make the train appear more spacious.

Quite often the doors are a source of noise as well as maintenance issues imx.

Wipers and Air Conditioning should not be causing issues, both old technology unless someone has been reinventing the wheel. With 500hp on tap keeping air con small to limit power take shouldnt be an issue.

 

[palmersears]

Out of interest, when this happens, does the door alarm sound, or is the whole sequence silent ?

Door alarm sounds. But it happens so quickly and unexpectedly there's no real way for anybody in the way to take evasive action.

 

[Aivilo]

Quite often the doors are a source of noise as well as maintenance issues imx.

Wipers and Air Conditioning should not be causing issues, both old technology unless someone has been reinventing the wheel. With 500hp on tap keeping air con small to limit power take shouldnt be an issue.

I'm paid to look out of a window. If I cannot look out of said window then it's an issue.

As for Aircon it's the same for both staff and passengers although with a touch more wiggle room.

You will find that even the smallest reoccurring fault will bring a new unit out of service so the can iron it out as quick as possible

 

[Llama]

It's also worth noting that traincrew are unable to set the temperature of the air conditioning in the saloons, that function has been disabled.

 

[Llama]

I haven't time to go back through this thread, but do they change drivers there? I thought that, as soon as the driver takes out his key (or whatever they use) the doors close...

Same driver, no relief on that trip. Platform staff were obviously well used to the issue, as soon as it happened they gesticulated to the guard and the doors were re-released.

Air con faults on these units so early are appalling. The ait con can't be adjusted by the traincrew, it can only be switched off. However the air con works in conjunction with the fire detection system so switching it off results in train out of service. Therefore if the air con is blowing out warm air on a 195, it has to stay on.

Poor design all round.

 

[palmersears]

It's also worth noting that traincrew are unable to set the temperature of the air conditioning in the saloons, that function has been disabled.

Is there a legitimate reason for this?

 

[Llama]

Not that we have been told. The HVAC screen on the TCMS shows a synoptic of all air con units on the train. The cab units temperature can be adjusted using soft keys but the saloon units can't, they're just unresponsive. Higher level access to the TCMS than that given to traincrew presumably allows for the settings to be changed, but whether that would be effective depends what the fault is - eg an incorrectly set temperature or a faulty temperature sensor or fault with the condenser side of the system etc. which would probably render any action irrelevant.

There were a lot of poor design decisions made with these units with no reliable workarounds.

 

[Aivilo]

Not that we have been told. The HVAC screen on the TCMS shows a synoptic of all air con units on the train. The cab units temperature can be adjusted using soft keys but the saloon units can't, they're just unresponsive. Higher level access to the TCMS than that given to traincrew presumably allows for the settings to be changed, but whether that would be effective depends what the fault is - eg an incorrectly set temperature or a faulty temperature sensor or fault with the condenser side of the system etc. which would probably render any action irrelevant.

There were a lot of poor design decisions made with these units with no reliable workarounds.

This ^^^

It's set to 21 on most units I've been on so far.

We can only control driving cabs so guards are at our mercy in the winter

 

[323 Class]

The door gremlins strike again

 

[Bovverboy]

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The southbound journey, the 0647 ex-Barrow, was terminated at Preston. That won't have pleased one of the regular contributors here, it's his daily commute, from Wigan.
According to 'Journey Check', the 0956 ex-Windermere has also been terminated at Preston, although at the moment RTT is saying that it simply hasn't left Preston. I'm sure it will prove to be cancelled, as reported, so that presumably means the 1229 Airport - Barrow will be cancelled to Preston.
I see that the 1016 Liverpool to Manchester Airport briefly came up on 'Journey Check', reported as having departed Lime Street four minutes behind schedule. Hardly earth-shattering, is it? It was back on time by Warrington Central.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

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How did the door fault correct itself when Preston was reached.....or was that a different unit starting from Preston?

 

[Bovverboy]

No, it looks as though it was the original unit which resumed service at Preston at 1045, but the preceding working, the 0647 ex-Barrow, was terminated at Preston at c.0815, so that was two and a half hours to sort the problem out.

 

[a_c_skinner]

Does this mean the fitter from Barrow who is reputed to have the measure of the doors has been relocated to Preston?

 

[LMS 4F]

113 through Wakefield Westgate this morning on driver training using the centre road and back towards Doncaster 10 minutes later.

 

[Railperf]

Is there an updated list of 195 diagrams please?