Trains Delayed on the West Yorks Triangle

[Eric]

Does anyone know why my train from Shipley (10:08 to Skipton) is delayed? The conductor has announced an operational incident is a reason for the delay?

Can anyone shed anymore light?

 

[Adam0984]

York ROC was evacuated so a generally GSM-R message was sent out for trains to stop in a suitable location

 

[43095john]

Fire Alarm went off in York ROC so it was evacuated for 25 mins or so. All of its controlling areas came to a stand

 

[800002]

Oh dear. Not the toaster (again) I hope.
Hope it was a false alarm!

 

[Adam0984]

Yeah it was they were only out for about 10/15 mins. Problem was there was no broadcast to tell drivers to set off again

 

[lineclear]

Yeah it was they were only out for about 10/15 mins. Problem was there was no broadcast to tell drivers to set off again

Some panels may not have but I'm sure some did.

 

[Adam0984]

Okay the panel I had a train under didn’t

 

[Harpers Tate]

Ah yes, the good old "single point of failure" thing. Of course, nothing will go wrong, so "we" don't need to put any contingency in place.

 

[800002]

Ah yes, the good old "single point of failure" thing. Of course, nothing will go wrong, so "we" don't need to put any contingency in place.

What would your contingency be?
(just out of interest, you understand)

 

[Camden]

What would your contingency be?
(just out of interest, you understand)

My own "contingency" would be to not place cost cutting above resilience. By all means modernise signalling. But if, for example, there was a larger number of these ROCs wth tighter focus, then geographical coverage could more easily be short term,on-demand switched. If instead of Manchester ROC there was Manchester, Liverpool, and perhaps one or two more, then neighbouring ROCs could be permanently prepped to take on cover for neighbours at a moment's notice.

 

[Harpers Tate]

What would your contingency be?
(just out of interest, you understand)

Not well enough informed to judge properly. But, for example it might be millisecond switchover to another site in the event of total failure for whatever cause.
Put it this way: if you were on an aircraft and one given Air Traffic Control went offline for 15 minutes or 24 hours, what might you reasonably expect to take place? I hope you'd expect another ATC centre to pick it up, within a matter of seconds at the most - right?

 

[Bantamzen]

Not well enough informed to judge properly. But, for example it might be millisecond switchover to another site in the event of total failure for whatever cause.
Put it this way: if you were on an aircraft and one given Air Traffic Control went offline for 15 minutes or 24 hours, what might you reasonably expect to take place? I hope you'd expect another ATC centre to pick it up, within a matter of seconds at the most - right?

Well if an ATC went down for any period of time, then the airspace would be closed & flights diverted. This has been exampled with recent strikes where flights have to re-route around air spaces where there is only limited amount of controllers available. The same would be true of a failure of primary & backup systems.

But its not a fair comparison, a failure of ATC can adversely effect flight plans with planes having only limited fuel to change paths and/or divert to alternative airports, so diversions are critical to the safety of passengers and crew. However a failure of a control centre for trains means all trains will stop, but there is not the same level of urgency to get trains on the move again, as if the worst comes to the worst plans can be made to move / evacuate trains without worrying about as much about risk to life.

 

[Ken H]

What would your contingency be?
(just out of interest, you understand)

ROC's are computer clusters. My client has a spare computer off site that has the data from the live computer mirrored onto the hot standby. If the main one goes phut, we can switch to the standby within 5 minutes.
Its a multi site operation so staff in another site can take on work from a closed down site easily.
When reading about new power boxes in Modern Railways years ago, mention was made of panels in some relay rooms that could be brought into use in case of problems in the power box or comms failure between the power box and relay room.

 

[The BIgman1234]

ROC's are computer clusters. My client has a spare computer off site that has the data from the live computer mirrored onto the hot standby. If the main one goes phut, we can switch to the standby within 5 minutes.
Its a multi site operation so staff in another site can take on work from a closed down site easily.
When reading about new power boxes in Modern Railways years ago, mention was made of panels in some relay rooms that could be brought into use in case of problems in the power box or comms failure between the power box and relay room.

The old TDM panels had emergency panels in the relay rooms which could be brought in when we had electronic link failures . In the event of a power failure on the ground the emergency panels were of no use . UPS and the use of generators have solved a lot of problems in remote areas and frankly every relay room should have back up generators.

 

[Harpers Tate]

..... there is not the same level of urgency to get trains on the move again.....

Nail, hammer, head. Precisely my point.