The 2019 General Election - Campaign Debate and Discussion

[baz962]

BBC a hour ago



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-50322512

People like him who have said it's women's fault for being raped sickens me. He wouldn't have made those comments had it happened to someone closer to him.

And that is what people are voting for. Shady characters like Jacob Rees Mogg who says that the victims of Grenfall lacked common sense by following the instructions of the fire officials, Boris who is stifling a report on interference in the 2016 referendum, Alun Cairns who helped his mate in a collapse of a rape trial and now Nick Conrad. Anyone who votes Tory with this is coming out must have their morals checked.

What's more is that Boris would have no hesitation over pressing the Nuclear Button, meaning that we could end up wiped out at the whims of the two buffoons Johnson and Trump.

That's why, as well as with the Brexit ball's up as well as the cuts to the venerable and poorest in our country, I cannot vote Tory. Instead I am looking forward to casting my ballot for my local labour candidate.

Labour , the party that won't get rid of anti semitism . Corbyn who stands with terrorist's. Good choice , where's your moral compass.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

The more outrageous the more attractive they become to the electorate. By admitting to being a sex offender Trump has gone as high as it is possible to go. If Johnson raped the Queen on live TV, he would win 650/650 seats.

Just like John Major went up in peoples (many not all I know) estimation when it came out he had been banging Edwina Currie.
Please also never forget the biggest butcher in history Genghis Khan has statues up of him all over Mongolia and of course Joseph Stalin is still revered by many.
Pretty damned obvious the liberal media in the USA still revere Bill Clinton and he is heavily implicated with Epstein etc.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Labour , the party that won't get rid of anti semitism . Corbyn who stands with terrorist's. Good choice , where's your moral compass.

You beat me to it sir!

 

[toby_farman]

Just wanna say that Jeremy Corbyn is gonna be a great prime minister! #jc4pm

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Just wanna say that Jeremy Corbyn is gonna be a great prime minister! #jc4pm

For Britains sake, if he is elected, then I really do hope he turns out well. I try not to wish ill on anyone.

 

[edwin_m]

They only joined the EU because the UK did. We are their biggest trading parner and most of their exports are moved through British Ports.

But it has to be said Ireland has done pretty well out of being in the EU and virtually nobody there is suggesting leaving. If Ireland hadn't joined then the hard border that was there at the time would just have continued, probably with the attendant terrorism too. Both countries being in the EU facilitated the Good Friday Agreement where the NI population could identify with either country - the return of a hard border would make it difficult for nationalists to believe that, and the alternative Irish Sea border makes the unionists afraid of weakening ties with the UK. I believe the eventual result will be NI voting to join the Republic, as they have a right to do under the Agreement (Scotland has no such legal right but I expect the pressure for independence will become unstoppable there too).

There are now ferries running between Ireland and France to bypass the UK, although I guess goods could also be sealed with some kind of arrangement so they are only in transit across the UK and don't officially leave the EU if that would incur duties. Ireland will benefit from companies moving in that need an English-speaking base with access to the EU market, but will lose from more difficult trade with the UK and if a hard border results. The UK will lose from both of these things (and everything else resulting from Brexit).

 

[bussnapperwm]

Labour , the party that won't get rid of anti semitism . Corbyn who stands with terrorist's. Good choice , where's your moral compass.

A problem which is being dealt with from lie top down, which the Labour Party Leadership have publically announced they are dealing with. Where the Tory actions to combat Islamophobia?

 

[baz962]

A problem which is being dealt with from lie top down, which the Labour Party Leadership have publically announced they are dealing with. Where the Tory actions to combat Islamophobia?

I don't need to answer that. my post was a reply to a post , that already condemned the Tories. My point was that they all got problems . Just that the poster I replied to , conveniently forgot Labours.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Tax avoidance is perfectly legal, I do that myself by investing a large sum into an ISA where the interest isn't taxed.

An ISA isn't tax avoidance (and as the tax thresholds are now so high for interest, and interest rates so low, it's a moot point anyway.

The number of feckless, idle wasters of the type beloved of Daily Mail benefit scrounger headlines is absolutely tiny and in most areas can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand.

There really aren't many scroungers.

What is more common is people who are fundamentally unemployable in the modern workplace. If you can't count and can't spell, your employment options are really quite limited.

A life on benefits isn't fun, I really can't bring myself to begrudge someone £73.10 a week when Iain Duncan-Smith spends fifty quid of my money on one single breakfast, and Ian Austin helped himself to £20,000 of my money to do his house up, before "flipping" his second home and helping himself to another twenty grand of my hard-earned.

Ian Austin, hater of Corbyn, ironically thinks immigrants are the real scourge of the taxpayer

 

[Tetchytyke]

don't need to answer that. my post was a reply to a post , that already condemned the Tories. My point was that they all got problems

Was it? Really? You don't seem so upset at the current Government being propped up by the DUP- as much terrorists as Sinn Fein are. Nor, for that matter, a PM who refers to gay people as "tank topped bum boys" and black people as "picanninies with watermelon smiles".

 

[baz962]

Was it? Really? You don't seem so upset at the current Government being propped up by the DUP- as much terrorists as Sinn Fein are. Nor, for that matter, a PM who refers to gay people as "tank topped bum boys" and black people as "picanninies with watermelon smiles".

So many people that don't read properly. I wasn't supporting the Tories. Someone else said if you vote Tory , then you have no moral compass. I was making the point that they are as bad as each other . I will vote for who I believe will run the country the best . If the poster that wrote they won't vote Tory because of such reasons as you and they alluded too , then you can't just say I'm going to vote Labour , because that's just hypocrisy. If you are going to vote , due to some moral compass , then you shouldn't be voting for any party.

 

[Howardh]

An ISA isn't tax avoidance (and as the tax thresholds are now so high for interest, and interest rates so low, it's a moot point anyway.



There really aren't many scroungers.

What is more common is people who are fundamentally unemployable in the modern workplace. If you can't count and can't spell, your employment options are really quite limited.

A life on benefits isn't fun, I really can't bring myself to begrudge someone £73.10 a week when Iain Duncan-Smith spends fifty quid of my money on one single breakfast, and Ian Austin helped himself to £20,000 of my money to do his house up, before "flipping" his second home and helping himself to another twenty grand of my hard-earned.

Ian Austin, hater of Corbyn, ironically thinks immigrants are the real scourge of the taxpayer

An ISA is totally tax avoidance. I'm avoiding paying tax on my interest that I would be liable to on an ordinary account, save for the first £1000.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

That's why, as well as with the Brexit ball's up as well as the cuts to the venerable and poorest in our country, I cannot vote Tory. Instead I am looking forward to casting my ballot for my local labour candidate.

Obviously anti-Semitism is not something to concern you.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Just wanna say that Jeremy Corbyn is gonna be a great prime minister! #jc4pm

I wonder why, when I see Corbyn, I am reminded of the leadership of the former state known as East Germany.

 

[Howardh]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192596712700944384
Johnson in front of a group of local group that checks between goods GB/NI or NI/GB will not be necessary.
So Johnson is saying the complete opposite of what his deal entails...

 

[DynamicSpirit]

I wonder why, when I see Corbyn, I am reminded of the leadership of the former state known as East Germany.

Yes, I wonder why too, given that there is virtually no similarity. I disagree with Corbyn on many things, but frankly, that is an utterly ridiculous comparison. You're basically comparing a dictatorial leadership that ruthlessly suppressed human rights with a man who wants to create a better, fairer, society (although who possibly has some unrealistic ideas about how that can be achieved). If you seriously believe that Corbyn is similar to the East German leadership, then my advice would be... start thinking about where you are getting your news from, and which sources of news you are choosing to believe. And then maybe choose some news sources that are more reliable?

 

[DarloRich]

May I make a suggestion?

Should we ask all candidates to resign just in case they made any dodgy comments in the past? It might be easier than this drip drip drip of candidates (especially Labour candidates) resigning!

 

[radamfi]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192596712700944384
Johnson in front of a group of local group that checks between goods GB/NI or NI/GB will not be necessary.
So Johnson is saying the complete opposite of what his deal entails...

Also, he also says that NI has a "great deal" because it is keeping freedom of movement. If it is so good, why is he so against it for the rest of us?!

 

[87 027]

An ISA is totally tax avoidance. I'm avoiding paying tax on my interest that I would be liable to on an ordinary account, save for the first £1000.

Please reread posts 126 and 130 and explain how an ISA fails the HMRC test of bending the rules to gain an unintended advantage!

Do you consider that the Personal Allowance is avoiding tax on the first £12,500 of your income? What’s the difference?

 

[Tetchytyke]

An ISA is totally tax avoidance. I'm avoiding paying tax on my interest that I would be liable to on an ordinary account, save for the first £1000.

How, pray, does an ISA interpret the rules in an unintended way to create a tax advantage? It's no more "tax avoidance" than the tax-free earnings personal allowance is, or the allowances on Capital Gains Tax.

 

[87 027]

Agreed. The Personal Allowance is not available to high earners (over £125k) so everyone earning below that is ‘avoiding’ tax on a literal interpretation.

 

[87 027]

If anyone feels they are being undertaxed and would voluntarily like to donate more of their money to the state to help reduce the national debt then HM Treasury will happily accept it!

https://www.dmo.gov.uk/responsibili...eous-accounts/donations-and-bequests-account/

 

[DynamicSpirit]

How, pray, does an ISA interpret the rules in an unintended way to create a tax advantage? It's no more "tax avoidance" than the tax-free earnings personal allowance is, or the allowances on Capital Gains Tax.

Strictly speaking, there is a slight difference: The tax-free earnings personal allowance is given to you whether you want it or not. On the other hand, opening an ISA would normally involve a deliberate decision to set up your finances in such a way as to pay less tax than you would otherwise have done. However, I do agree with you to the extent that an ISA is not, by the usual/official understanding of the term, tax avoidance - because it is something that is completely intended by the Government - whereas 'tax avoidance' usually refers to people finding ways to avoid tax that are not intended by the Government, and are within the letter but not the spirit of what is intended by the tax regulations.

 

[87 027]

The point that some posters are failing to understand or acknowledge is that tax policy is sometimes used to incentivise particular behaviours for reasons of wider public policy - it isn’t about maximising the tax take to the exclusion of everything else.

And quite obviously the different parties standing in the election have different views about what they would like to achieve!

 

[Mag_seven]

An ISA is totally tax avoidance. I'm avoiding paying tax on my interest that I would be liable to on an ordinary account, save for the first £1000.

You remind me of some rich person (whose name I can't remember) on the BBC who tried to argue that sheltering his millions on an off-shore tax haven was somehow equivalent to an old lady putting a couple of thousand pounds into an ISA or someone purchasing couple of bottles of whisky at an airport duty free shop! Believe you me, it isn't!

 

[Aictos]

One difference between Labour and Conservatives is the former will bankrupt the UK with their spending plans of £400 billion and counting while the latter is more careful with spending plans of £100 billion with promises of turning off the tap if repayments are too high.

 

[toby_farman]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192596712700944384
Johnson in front of a group of local group that checks between goods GB/NI or NI/GB will not be necessary.
So Johnson is saying the complete opposite of what his deal entails...

Agreed Brexit is stupid whatever way you look at it

 

[Howardh]

So if I put all my savings into an ISA am I avoiding paying tax on them or not?

Agreed Brexit is stupid whatever way you look at it

Funny how the recent replies have conveniently concentrated on the definition of "tax avoidance" rather than Our Dear Leader's ability to suggest breaking EU and probably WTO rules thus risking any chance of any decent trade deals.

 

[87 027]

So if I put all my savings into an ISA am I avoiding paying tax on them or not

You are not, because the law prescribes that the correct tax rate for that situation is zero.

Trying to equate an ISA with abusive behaviour is IMHO being somewhat obtuse. You are tarring honest people acting in good faith with the same brush as intentional tax dodgers. If you don’t think ISAs should exist then fine, vote for a party who proposes to abolish them

I don’t have one, so no skin off my nose

 

[Howardh]

You are not, because the law prescribes that the correct tax rate for that situation is zero.

Trying to equate an ISA with abusive behaviour is IMHO being somewhat obtuse. You are tarring honest people acting in good faith with the same brush as intentional tax dodgers. If you don’t think ISAs should exist then fine, vote for a party who proposes to abolish them

What you are suggesting are tax evaders?? And, as it happens, I don't believe the interest of savings accounts should be taxed at all. After all, the majority of savings rates are below inflation and having to pay tax on top is a right kick in the proverbials.

What's the difference between evasion and avoidance?