Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

[WatcherZero]

They've certainly been doing training on the Southport line, often seeing 195's at Wallgate immediately in front of the Southport to Alderley Edge service in the morning peak (and annoyingly often causing them to be delayed).

 

[156420]

Southport to Alderley Edge/ Stalybridge remains as pairs of sprinters (and 142s) until the 769s are introduced next spring. Clitheroe will also remain as sprinters.

Off topic for the thread but Southport-Alderley Edge/Stalybridge will be purely 150/156’s with the remaining 142’s expected to be concentrated on the Rose Hill/New Mills/Marple services and Man Vic/Rochdale-Clitheroe & Blackburn services.

The above pending the smooth introduction of a lot more 195/331’s from Dec

 

[Adam0984]

This train is the Northern service to York... the next stop is... Coming to a service tomorrow...

Did this actually happen or was it just a load of made up gen?

 

[Mathew S]

Off topic for the thread but Southport-Alderley Edge/Stalybridge will be purely 150/156’s with the remaining 142’s expected to be concentrated on the Rose Hill/New Mills/Marple services and Man Vic/Rochdale-Clitheroe & Blackburn services.

The above pending the smooth introduction of a lot more 195/331’s from Dec

Northern have publicly said that those will be the only routes that will see Pacers after Christmas. Personally, I don't believe them.

 

[156420]

That’s why I said pending the smooth introduction of the 195/331’s

The diagrams from Dec currently show the only above workings (for now).

 

[Llama]

They've certainly been doing training on the Southport line, often seeing 195's at Wallgate immediately in front of the Southport to Alderley Edge service in the morning peak (and annoyingly often causing them to be delayed).

There's no training been done to Southport, you have probably seen the unit(s) coming from Wigan Wallgate Up Carriage Sidings either for practical handling up & down the WCML or for moving elsewhere.

 

[Philip]

There's no training been done to Southport, you have probably seen the unit(s) coming from Wigan Wallgate Up Carriage Sidings either for practical handling up & down the WCML or for moving elsewhere.

I thought someone reported one being sat in Southport station a while back?

 

[Llama]

Yes, that wasn't training though.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Yes, that wasn't training though.

What was it then?

 

[156420]

Not training.

Gauging/Clearance runs.

 

[Bovverboy]

Is the 22:34 Man Airport-Blackpool booked to remain a 195 working after the new timetable?

I would say yes, although RTT is a bit contradictory on this point. On Mondays to Fridays an ECS working appears, Manchester Airport to Newton Heath, this looks for all the world a way of getting the 195 back to depot, but on the other hand there's no obvious source of a replacement set to work the 2234. On Saturdays, according to RTT, things are set to continue as they are.

 

[156420]

I would say yes, although RTT is a bit contradictory on this point. On Mondays to Fridays an ECS working appears, Manchester Airport to Newton Heath, this looks for all the world a way of getting the 195 back to depot, but on the other hand there's no obvious source of a replacement set to work the 2234. On Saturdays, according to RTT, things are set to continue as they are.

331 from the new TT

 

[Bovverboy]

331 from the new TT

What's the immediately preceding journey?

 

[156420]

19:58 ex-Blackpool N arr 21:36.

 

[Grumpy Git]

Not training.

Gauging/Clearance runs.

Surely the CAD drawings should tell you if it's going to fit down the line / platforms, etc. (assuming CAF have quality inpectors)?

 

[Geeves]

CAD drawings are only as useful as person who typed in the figures... Is there any update to the 195 centre of excellence being ready at Newton Heath yet?

 

[Philip]

If they have had a clearance run to Southport then surely this is in view to using them on that route, even if not regularly/fully?

 

[ohgoditsjames]

Is the Nottingham to Leeds service to be a 2 car 195? If so that’s disappointing, not exactly a capacity boost...

 

[Mordac]

CAD drawings are only as useful as person who typed in the figures... Is there any update to the 195 centre of excellence being ready at Newton Heath yet?

This must be the first time excellence and Newton-the- Heath have been mentioned together in the same sentence.

 

[Bletchleyite]

This must be the first time excellence and Newton-the- Heath have been mentioned together in the same sentence.

Have they upgraded from Aldi Value Gaffer Tape to proper branded Duck Tape then?

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

If they have had a clearance run to Southport then surely this is in view to using them on that route, even if not regularly/fully?

Could be a strategic move, ie get the clearance "in the book" while the units are not yet committed to too many diagrams as opposed to having to take them off booked workings at some point in the future.

 

[Bovverboy]

19:58 ex-Blackpool N arr 21:36.

Does that not leave 1N67, 2143 Manchester Airport - Blackpool North, short of a unit?

 

[Sleeperwaking]

Gauging/Clearance runs.

Surely the CAD drawings should tell you if it's going to fit down the line / platforms, etc. (assuming CAF have quality inpectors)?

Gauge clearance is done using a software package / vehicle models. Physical runs are usually done for platform / train interface checks prior to service introduction (check stop positions / ASDO operation / signal sighting / door cameras among other things). There are no physical runs required to validate gauge clearance / the gauging certificate.

 

[JonathanH]

195105 on 1E52 0715 Ellesmere Port to Leeds this morning.

 

[156420]

Does that not leave 1N67, 2143 Manchester Airport - Blackpool North, short of a unit?

Nope the arrival from Blackpool is 2 x 3 car 331’s which split for 2143/2234.

 

[scrapy]

If they have had a clearance run to Southport then surely this is in view to using them on that route, even if not regularly/fully?

There were rumours a while back of stabling a 195 from December. Working the 21.49 Manchester Vic to Southport (from Newton Heath) then working the 06.34 to Stalybridge in a morning (which would have found itself on a Leeds diagram after that). Not happening though

 

[thejuggler]

Can someone please explain how these units can pass any safety testing when this morning arriving in Leeds on a packed commuter, two people get off, the third is approaching the doors, the door close goes off and he ends being pushed off the train by the closing doors.

After being on another service back from Leeds with three colleagues we are all of the opinion Northern have been ripped off.

The notice by the SOS button also makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The notice by the SOS button also makes no sense whatsoever.

The English on the labels is generally poor throughout. I guess CAF specified them rather than Northern.

I do however very much like the adoption of the German style separate emergency brake (red) and passcom (green). There are two great benefits of this - one of them is that you could save someone's life in a trap and drag, derailment or other very serious incident by just being able to belt the "stop now" button with no need for a debate first - I understand the runaway CS Mk5s were stopped by the guard doing this. The other one is that people might not be put off using the passcom to call for assistance in the event of an on-board problem not relating to the running of the train e.g. a medical emergency or assault. After all, the communication cord (as was) wasn't originally brought in to report train operation issues, it was after a serious assault.

 

[thejuggler]

I also approve of the green assistance intercom. However a notice saying that using it may delay your journey is an unnecessary veiled threat.

What next 'using the fire extinguisher will result in the seats getting covered in powder or water and cleaning the seats will take ages'!

 

[fulmar]

The red one is the passcomm. The green one is the call for aid.

If operated when departing from a station the red one will apply the brakes immediately. The driver cannot override this when departing from a station, so if you see something that is immediately life threatening such as a trap and drag incident, break the cover and hit the red button straight away. For anything that isn't immediately life threatening use the green one and the driver or guard will respond as soon as it is safe to do so.

If you hit the green one by accident please either cancel it as per the instructions on the label or respond to the driver or guard when they answer. What is frustrating is when someone activates the green one but then doesn't respond when the crew answer. This then has to be checked out to ensure it isn't a serious problem which may indeed cause a delay.