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You have to be off your face to listen to that garbage, so a pee test might be in order...

Disclaimer: the above is posted in jest, and should not be taken as an allegation of actual illegal activity.
 

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Yes of course it is. Why would it not be?

I was always under the impression that the use of personal electronic devices for entertainment purposes was not allowed for on-duty traincrew, because you might not hear something important or be distracted from your job. Is it just drivers, then?
 

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I was always under the impression that the use of personal electronic devices for entertainment purposes was not allowed for on-duty traincrew, because you might not hear something important or be distracted from your job. Is it just drivers, then?
You're half right, it's not permitted whilst performing safety critical duties, ie dispatch, driving, moving on or near the line. But there is no general ban. Company policies may differ however.
 

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Rave music.... really?? Why would a guard risk their job in such a pointless way? Not buying it I'm afraid, unless it was their ring tone or something.
 

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Was this on an SWR service by any chance? I remember a few occasions on the inner suburban routes (I believe either the 455s or 450/8s) youths would access the guard's compartment and inflict their tinny caterwauling (I refuse to call it music) upon us by placing their phones in front of the public address system.
 

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You're half right, it's not permitted whilst performing safety critical duties, ie dispatch, driving, moving on or near the line. But there is no general ban. Company policies may differ however.

Best tell the RMT then, because they portray that in a whole the guards presence on a train is safety critical, can't have it both ways.
 

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So many questions...

Was the Guard passing, on duty, completed revenue checks, on a break, between stations, were they the Guard or someone else passing, whats the TOCs specific instructions, back cab, front cab, middle cab, were there other Guards and this was a double up, probably more questions...

When I pass in the back cab I tend to listen to music or watch a film or catch up with a series or two.
 

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Some genuinely concentrate better with music on. Reduces distractions and improves focus. Also helps some people who are on the autistic spectrum to function. I’d not be so quick to condemn ...
 

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I’m just wondering if this is permitted. I’ve never seen it before.

Are you asking if rave music specifically is permitted or music generally? Seems to be the former but perhaps you just have a problem with rave music and felt the need to be ever so specific.

Look forward to clarification!

PLUR
 

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Some genuinely concentrate better with music on. Reduces distractions and improves focus. Also helps some people who are on the autistic spectrum to function. I’d not be so quick to condemn ...

That is very true, and I have wondered if music should actually be permitted for drivers. After all, it's said to improve concentration on the road for car drivers provided they aren't pratting with it while driving - but it is a very different situation, of course.
 

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If it ever happens again contact the TOC and get them drug tested. The guard will be very happy for a few days off work. I dream of the day someone reports me as being intoxicated. Nothing better than putting your feet up until the results come back.

On the subject of music, my answer would be that I don't see a problem if all duties are complete.
 

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That is very true, and I have wondered if music should actually be permitted for drivers. After all, it's said to improve concentration on the road for car drivers provided they aren't pratting with it while driving - but it is a very different situation, of course.
I would agree if it wasnt for all the alarms in the cab that you need to hear and react to.
 

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There are only so many revenue checks you can do and sometimes nobody needs help. Being a visible presence doesn't mean literally walking up and down constantly.

Well quite! If you've completed all duties (station, revenue, etc) then what else are you supposed to do in the down time? Stand there with your hand poised over the GSMR? Be ready with the detonators?

I think it's probably a good idea to ensure that anything like that can't be heard outside of the cab but that's because I think it's good etiquette just as it is for passengers not to do it in the saloon rather than some issue related to performance of duties!
 

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Incidentally, I have always thought such threads should be banned from this forum. Specifically threads that discuss the conduct of individual staff members - how would you feel if someone was posting on an Internet forum highly trafficked by senior figures within your industry about your behaviour whilst at work - even if it was in general terms such as this post. It's grossly unfair to the staff and often devolves into uninformed commentary about a situation where full details are not known.

I'm not saying railway staff should be immune to scrutiny - far from it - but if you have an issue with a staff member then you can and should submit a complaint to their employer like you would in any other industry.

Please put yourself in that guard's shoes. Imagine someone is posting about you like this on some forum somewhere and tens of people are armchair adjudicating your behaviour which you know to be fully acceptable and within the rules of your company. You'd be pretty annoyed, wouldn't you?
 

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I think it's probably a good idea to ensure that anything like that can't be heard outside of the cab but that's because I think it's good etiquette just as it is for passengers not to do it in the saloon rather than some issue related to performance of duties!

Depending on the precise wording of the Byelaw regarding playing of music out loud to the annoyance of others it could be a breach of that, too. Does it say "no person shall" or "no passenger shall"...?

(Of course it's totally unenforced in the saloon...)
 

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I can't help wonder if a portable trannie with Radio 3 or Test Match Special would have raised as many heckles.
 

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The honourable gentleman for Redcar does make a good point however it can be easy to forget how thin the cab walls can be.

Exactly. Hardly uncommon to hear conversations in cabs, or AWS etc warning bells as a passenger. I get the feeling some posters have no experience of a working environment that isn't a soulless silent office.
 
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