Collision and derailment at Neville Hill Depot (13/11/2019)

[fgwrich]

But it is concerning given the speeds involved (~10mph AIUI) that this has caused the IET to derail. Less bothered about the cab - that is merely decorative on top of the structure underneath - but the damage further down the set does pose some real questions for Hitachi.

It's not just the way that it's derailed that's a concern, but also for the way the Dellner inter car connectors (couplings) acted attributing to the derailment.

 

[Bevan Price]

Have there been any pictures along the length of the HST?

Did the HST have all it's brakes on? Any damaged couplings? Did it move along the track?
So many things that you can't tell about the HST.

If the HST was stationary, then the brakes would need to have been on -- the line from Leeds Marsh Lane towards Neville Hill is uphill with a gradient slightly steeper than 1 in 300.

 

[Llama]

It's not just the way that it's derailed that's a concern, but also for the way the Dellner inter car connectors (couplings) acted attributing to the derailment.

I'd have thought that the couplings within each set would be semi-permanent bar couplers as most stock is these days, usually with a deformation/collapsible mounting at one end. May still be made by Dellner but they won't be 'autocouplers' as they are on the outer ends of the unit.

 

[Bezza49]

Good Lord - I cleared my HSTs in 1979

I saw them in my initial Spotting career from 1992 to 1999, but not in my new one since 2016

 

[High Dyke]

As in move it to Newton Aycliffe or is somewhere else in the frame...

Since Agility Trains East (Hitachi) are the owner shouldn't they have the final say on where and how it goes?

That was the problem... ATE (Hitachi) wanted to move it under its own power, but sources at LNER say it isn't fit for movement by rail.

 

[PG]

That was the problem... ATE (Hitachi) wanted to move it under its own power, but sources at LNER say it isn't fit for movement by rail.

I'd say let ATE do as they wish as they'll be the ones who'll be fixing any additional damage they cause - LNER can then say 'we told you...'

Only winners are likely to be the lawyers when it ends up in court!

 

[Elecman]

I'd say let ATE do as they wish as they'll be the ones who'll be fixing any additional damage they cause - LNER can then say 'we told you...'

Only winners are likely to be the lawyers when it ends up in court!

Providing someone is brave enough to sign a fitness to run certificate

 

[High Dyke]

I'd say let ATE do as they wish as they'll be the ones who'll be fixing any additional damage they cause - LNER can then say 'we told you...'

Only winners are likely to be the lawyers when it ends up in court!

It all depends on what damage is caused...If it's to infrastructure then Network Rail wouldn't be impressed. Equally, if the unit was moved by rail and then subsequently has an issue en-route; then imagine the delays that could be incurred. The finger of blame would need to point somewhere.

 

[Ploughman]

Is there Low Loader access into Neville Hill or at a nearby access point?
Maybe down the bottom of the hill at the old stone terminal.

 

[800002]

That was the problem... ATE (Hitachi) wanted to move it under its own power, but sources at LNER say it isn't fit for movement by rail.

Who owns the train set? Presumably ATE (Hitachi).... So presumably its those call as to what they want to do with it?

Providing someone is brave enough to sign a fitness to run certificate

Is ATE (Hitachi) in a position to do this themselves, or are they reliant upon an operator (LNER or otherwise) to perform such a duty prior to that party moving the trainset on the national network?

Is there Low Loader access into Neville Hill or at a nearby access point?
Maybe down the bottom of the hill at the old stone terminal.

A very good question indeed. Presumably, it is possible to detach all of the units on the depot inorder to transport them via road?

Failing that and it needs to go via the national network, such possibilities could of course include a severe speed restriction, causing much more disruption...

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

Who owns the train set? Presumably ATE (Hitachi).... So presumably its those call as to what they want to do with it?


Is ATE (Hitachi) in a position to do this themselves, or are they reliant upon an operator (LNER or otherwise) to perform such a duty prior to that party moving the trainset on the national network?


A very good question indeed. Presumably, it is possible to detach all of the units on the depot inorder to transport them via road?

Failing that and it needs to go via the national network, such possibilities could of course include a severe speed restriction, causing much more disruption...

If something like that had to run under a 8X headcode, it would be run at night, or outside of the peaks.

 

[eastdyke]

That was the problem... ATE (Hitachi) wanted to move it under its own power, but sources at LNER say it isn't fit for movement by rail.

Is that with reference to the unit involved in the PHBT incident though?

 

[High Dyke]

Is that with reference to the unit involved in the PHBT incident though?

Yes, it was.

 

[eastdyke]

Yes, it was.

Thanks.

 

[Speed43125]

Is that with reference to the unit involved in the PHBT incident though?

PHBT? could you elaborate what that is?

 

[High Dyke]

PHBT? could you elaborate what that is?

Person Hit By a Train.

 

[Speed43125]

Person Hit By a Train.

Ah, Okay thanks!

 

[Leeds1970]

Is there Low Loader access into Neville Hill or at a nearby access point?
Maybe down the bottom of the hill at the old stone terminal.

normal trucks delivering power units/wheel sets can access however something like one of the Alleyleys trucks would be a definite no.. the turn from Osmonthorpe lane onto York road has a sharp hump and a dip --

 

[eastdyke]

PHBT? could you elaborate what that is?

Very sorry, should have clarified
Thanks to @High Dyke

 

[PG]

Is that with reference to the unit involved in the PHBT incident though?

Ah I see, I was referring to the one derailed on the DHGL.
Any news yet on what is happening with that one?

 

[eastdyke]

Ah I see, I was referring to the one derailed on the DHGL.
Any news yet on what is happening with that one?

I don't have any info.
But having been derailed, for whatever reason (collision, trackwork or train), I would presume it unlikely that everybody would be happy for route ECML back to Newton Aycliffe

 

[Grumpy Git]

What joy to have such a fragmented railway. The only people who benefit from such incidents are the lawyers.

 

[1D53]

Noted some of the vehicles in the formation having wheelskates fitted on Neville Hill this afternoon.

 

[PG]

Pardon my ignorance but how far can rolling stock travel on wheelskates? Around the corner or somewhat further distances?

 

[JN114]

Pardon my ignorance but how far can rolling stock travel on wheelskates? Around the corner or somewhat further distances?

As far as you like, it just has to be done at very low speed; so that speed makes it prohibitive.

 

[PG]

Thanks for answering that for me.
Seems likely if ATE want 800109 back to Newton Aycliffe it'll have to go by road then - unless they crawl up the ECML on 25th Dec!

 

[M60lad]

If it has to travel by road then how will they get the train onto the truck considering (if I haven't read it wrong) its already been said on here that one of the now famous Alleyleys trucks won't fit down the road to Neville Hill? Surely moving it away by road if one of their trucks can't get access is going to prove difficult

 

[DarloRich]

Seems likely if ATE want 800109 back to Newton Aycliffe it'll have to go by road then - unless they crawl up the ECML on 25th Dec!

you would just break the journey up into chunks and do it over night, subject to possessions. It would take quite a while mind!

Surely moving it away by road if one of their trucks can't get access is going to prove difficult

move it somewhere where a truck can easily access the railway.

What joy to have such a fragmented railway. The only people who benefit from such incidents are the lawyers.

What are you on about?

 

[800001]

If it has to travel by road then how will they get the train onto the truck considering (if I haven't read it wrong) its already been said on here that one of the now famous Alleyleys trucks won't fit down the road to Neville Hill? Surely moving it away by road if one of their trucks can't get access is going to prove difficult

Neville Hill to Midland Road depot, good road access, or even back to Doncaster depot over night, may still take a few nights and stops in loops to get it there, but again Doncaster Iep depot has good road access.

 

[syorksdeano]

Neville Hill to Midland Road depot, good road access, or even back to Doncaster depot over night, may still take a few nights and stops in loops to get it there, but again Doncaster Iep depot has good road access.

Why can't they just move it to Doncaster anyway as I thought that that was a maintenance depot?

Obviously it needs more than a bit of tape to fix it, but surely it would easier