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Election 2019 - promises

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mawallace

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Thought I would start a thread re the manifesto promises.

First off, Greens:-

Making travelling by public transport cheaper than travelling by car, by reducing the cost of travelling by train and bus. Coach travel will also be encouraged, with new routes for electric coaches provided across the country.

Creating a new golden age of train by opening new rail connections that remove bottlenecks, increase rail freight capacity, improve journey times and frequencies, enhance capacity in the South West,
Midlands and North, and connect currently unconnected urban areas.
We would also look, where possible, to re-open closed stations. These rail improvements will benefit
from funding switched from the damaging HS2 scheme, which we will cancel .

Electrifying all railway lines that connect cities, improving punctuality.

Creating a government-owned rolling stock company which would invest in a fleet of new electric
trains to run on newly electrified lines

Giving responsibility for running short-distance passenger rail franchises to councils, or groups of
councils that come together to work on local transport. This will give local communities a greater say in the running of the rail services they rely on. We will bring all railways back into public ownership over ten years.

Ensuring good railway connections with all ports to enable more freight between ports and inland terminals to be carried on rail. We will invest in additional freight routes resulting in the majority of long-distance freight switching from road to rail.

Scrapping the doomed HS2 rail line. The funds freed up will be spent on more effective sustainable public transport options, as part of the Green New Deal. This will enable an increase in rail capacity in regions that desperately need more investment, including the creation of three electrified rail lines running from Liverpool and Manchester to Sheffield, Hull and the Tees Valley.
These three newly electrified lines will run through Bradford and Leeds, creating new rail hubs in the heart of Yorkshire.

Capital cost: - £12.2 billion

Second - the Lib Dems


Significant investment in public transport, including converting the rail network to ultra-low-emission technology (electric or hydrogen) by 2035, and a continued commitment to HS2, Crossrail 2 and other major new strategic rail routes.

  • Freeze rail fares for commuters and season ticket holders for a parliament, while we fix our railways.
  • Extend Britain’s rail network, improve stations, reopen smaller stations and restore twin-track lines to major routes.
  • Convert the rail network to ultra-low-emission technology (electric or hydrogen) by 2035, and provide funding for light rail and trams.
  • Support High Speed 2, Northern Powerhouse Rail, East-West Rail and Crossrail 2, but ensure far tighter financial controls and increased accountability to ensure that these projects are value for money, and address problems with implementation to ensure that HS2 opens as early as possible to meet our decarbonisation goals while minimising the destruction of precious UK habitats and woodland.
  • Start a revolution in rail franchising by opening up the bidding process to public sector companies, local or combined authorities, not-for-profits and mutuals – which have the potential to deliver much better services than private operators.
  • Build into new rail franchise agreements a stronger focus on customers, including investment in new stations, lines and modern trains.
  • Create a new Railways Agency to oversee the operations of the railway network, removing the Department for Transport from day-to-day decision-making.
  • Be far more proactive in sanctioning and ultimately sacking train operators if they fail to provide a high-quality public service to their customers.
  • Improve the experience of people who rely on the railways for work by investing in commuter routes and the integration of rail, bus and cycle routes.
  • Fix the broken fares and ticketing system so that it provides better value for money.
  • Improve disabled access to public transport via the Access for All programme.
 
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The Lib Dem one is a bit of a mix of vague aspirations (extend, improve, reopen etc), but also some important detail which could make a difference:

The Railways Agency to take over detailed management from the DfT;
Allowing public sector options to compete for franchises;
Holding franchisees to greater account including sacking where appropriate.
 

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But the funds from HS2 if scrapped won't go anywhere else, it's HS2 or nothing no? Odd the Green party wants to scrap low emission, high speed rail travel when the continent and others want to build more. How do you get more freight services to and from ports without taking existing services away.

I agree with most of the Lib Dem policies (1st time seeing their transport polices) but I agree it's a bit vauge. What would they classify as the railways being fixed? Surely they won't freeze fares until 2035 (providing their plans are completed on time)
 

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It doesn't really matter what these two parties promise, does it?

People said that in 2010.

Pupil Premium and the increases in the Income Tax thresholds (Lib Dem manifesto) are still in place.

So don't - entirely - disregard them.
 

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I agree with most of the Lib Dem policies (1st time seeing their transport polices) but I agree it's a bit vauge. What would they classify as the railways being fixed? Surely they won't freeze fares until 2035 (providing their plans are completed on time)

The fares freeze is for a Parliament (so 5 years max).
 

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"Freeze rail fares for commuters and season ticket holders for a parliament, while we fix our railways."

I'd be interested to know how they're going to freeze fares for commuters without season tickets. What criteria will they use to decide which regular fares to freeze?
 

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"Freeze rail fares for commuters and season ticket holders for a parliament, while we fix our railways."

I'd be interested to know how they're going to freeze fares for commuters without season tickets. What criteria will they use to decide which regular fares to freeze?

And how will they pay for pay rises
 

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"Freeze rail fares for commuters and season ticket holders for a parliament, while we fix our railways."

I'd be interested to know how they're going to freeze fares for commuters without season tickets. What criteria will they use to decide which regular fares to freeze?
Probably regulated fares which affect commuters much more than leisure passengers.
 

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Neither of these parties are going to win so I can't see much point in talking about them, what are the conservative party going to do with the railway?
 

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They may as well all just promise a new fleet of bimode 442s in NSE colours with conversion to haul 125mph concerted 142s.

it’s all fantasy. All they want is your vote. And they will tell any lies at all to get it.
 

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Create a new Railways Agency to oversee the operations of the railway network, removing the Department for Transport from day-to-day decision-making.

Rather than creating another quango, why not just let the rail operators do the day-to-day decision-making!
 

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I'd like the government to put people who have had a long career in the railway industry in charge of the railway instead of bean counters and desk jockies
 

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I'd like the government to put people who have had a long career in the railway industry in charge of the railway instead of bean counters and desk jockies

Most of them are now retired , some due to being fed up with the "contractual railway" - I commend John Nelson's recently published book on the insiders view on privatisation - he was the last MD of NSE , and he makes the point that there are some really good people around today , but they do not have the "total" railway. From the bottom upwards - he himself as a 1968 era management trainee had magnificent "underpinning" knowledge from clipping points at Didcot , to really sound practical business management.
 

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I'd like the government to put people who have had a long career in the railway industry in charge of the railway instead of bean counters and desk jockies

Agreed - for some reason the top jobs don't appear to go to career railwaymen anymore.
 

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Neither of these parties are going to win so I can't see much point in talking about them, what are the conservative party going to do with the railway?
This is a misguided view.

However, if you don't want to read about the manifestos that have been published so far, I recommend that you just don't, in silence.
I think I'll risk it.
Feel free to, but I don't think we need to know that.
it’s all fantasy. All they want is your vote. And they will tell any lies at all to get it.
This is obviously not the case. Many things from the Liberal Democrat manifesto have made it into government policy this decade.
 

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Most of them are now retired , some due to being fed up with the "contractual railway" - I commend John Nelson's recently published book on the insiders view on privatisation - he was the last MD of NSE , and he makes the point that there are some really good people around today , but they do not have the "total" railway. From the bottom upwards - he himself as a 1968 era management trainee had magnificent "underpinning" knowledge from clipping points at Didcot , to really sound practical business management.

What's the book called - might buy it!
 
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Neither of these parties are going to win so I can't see much point in talking about them, what are the conservative party going to do with the railway?
With this kind of mentality, they won't. The two big parties play on this sentiment and rely on it in order to continue being relevant.

That's why the only way to effect positive change is to buck that kind of attitude and vote truly for what you agree with. Because even though naysayers and the big two will try to tell you that it's a wasted vote, there is no such thing as a wasted vote.

And thinking seriously about the topic at hand, there is a lot about the Lib Dem policy that sounds somewhat sensible. Particularly the part where the DfT effective lose their teeth, as this is something that has been suggested by several different entities now.
 

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What's the book called - might buy it!

"Losing Track" - An insiders story of Britain's Railway Transformation from British Rail to the Present Day- just published ISBN 978-1- 78955- 667 -4 (New Generation Publishing)

I commend Chapter 7 - "Franchises get off the ground - some fly , some crash and burn"

Highly , highly recommended - I have "sold" , at least 4 copies to other old railway lags (all retired) , and they have equally enjoyed the book. Splendid read and very focused / non - emotional, fact based.
 

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Go on, @ChiefPlanner - are you John Nelson? If you are I’d certainly buy it as you are the irrefutable voice of sanity on this forum! :)

Very kind and thank you.

No - but I have had the pleasure of working for him , and he is an excellent and supportive manager. Genuine interest in people and the railway. He would admire the Gerald Fiennes comment on a good "guvnor"* (the ultimate praise when the staff call you that) , about needing "a sense of time , money and humour". - and dare I say it stamina when things go really wrong.

((A Southeastern term - "Boss" north of Rugby I gather , cannot comment on Wales or Scotland , though I have been fortunate in working with both of the latter))
 

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Odd the Green party wants to scrap low emission, high speed rail travel when the continent and others want to build more.

It is entirely consistent with a green agenda.

Long distance travel, however it is done, is often unnecessary and is rarely a matter of necessity. Short distance commuting to a workplace can be seen as essential for people's livelihoods.

As a case in point, operating a frequent maximum length all-stations service on each route, with metro-type trains, at the most frequent timetable possible, would provide plenty of local connectivity for local commuting. Forget about the long distance trains.

This favours short distance travel at the expense of long distance travel making people think about the sustainability of travelling long distances.
 

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With this kind of mentality, they won't. The two big parties play on this sentiment and rely on it in order to continue being relevant.

That's why the only way to effect positive change is to buck that kind of attitude and vote truly for what you agree with. Because even though naysayers and the big two will try to tell you that it's a wasted vote, there is no such thing as a wasted vote.

And thinking seriously about the topic at hand, there is a lot about the Lib Dem policy that sounds somewhat sensible. Particularly the part where the DfT effective lose their teeth, as this is something that has been suggested by several different entities now.
Great post - and I say that as a lifelong conservative
 

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I don't see how cheaper fares/getting more people out of their cars solve much when the trains are already full to bursting.
 

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"Losing Track" - An insiders story of Britain's Railway Transformation from British Rail to the Present Day- just published ISBN 978-1- 78955- 667 -4 (New Generation Publishing)

I commend Chapter 7 - "Franchises get off the ground - some fly , some crash and burn"

Highly , highly recommended - I have "sold" , at least 4 copies to other old railway lags (all retired) , and they have equally enjoyed the book. Splendid read and very focused / non - emotional, fact based.

Have added to the wish list of books I want to get, ta for the recommendation!

As to the parties well they can promise the world but if we get it or not is something quite else!
 
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