WLT 770 is on the 2 Today https://bustimes.org/vehicles/170844
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Still going . Had it on 31 last week .
Jordan Adam
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67770 has gained Lime Green route branding for the Service 2. Looks very good.
JumpinTrainz
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Has the 2 actually been branded? I never thought it would be given the Scotstoun buses share with the 3. Any photos?
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woah thats very noticable. i expected a first aberdeen sort of green not this lol. looks great though
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Jordan Adam
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Yes it has been branded, full text applied.
Here's a photo - https://flic.kr/p/2hNNM1c
It's the same shade that First Aberdeens 06 plate B7RLEs had when new, very tidy and stands out.
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Woah that’s striking! The bus just passed me as I saw the photo lol. It does look good incredibly smart but I wonder what their plans are for the 2. I wonder if they’ll brand the E200MMCs for the route also. I was under the impression the 2 may be up for new buses but clearly not the case. Are the E300s due a refurb? I’ve noticed deckers become more a common sight also so thought they’d perhaps trial E400MMCs on the route. Looks like they’re sticking to the current stock.
As far as seating goes the E300s could really do with a refurb. A lot of really worn out seats on most of them and I use them more than anything mainly on 1s. The seating on the 51 plate 206 I was on earlier was in better condition than the seating on the 1 and 1B. Really quite like that branding for the 2 tbh and I wouldn't be surprised if the 2 got all refurbs with no new buses as there's a lot that would be needed to operate on it
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Saw the branded 2 today, looks good, something quite different. Talking of the 2 also on it today were 2 old E400s which is rather noteable
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I saw a 09 plate B9TL on it also. Seems weird they’re branding 6 year old buses but also introducing deckers to a route which has always been predominantly singles.
Always found the 2 to be a weird one tbh. Had a feeling they'd avoid new buses on it due to how many it would take to cover one service. The E300s could certainly use a seat refurb at a minimum. The 2 is usually late so I can definitely understand why deckers have popped up lately
Jordan Adam
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6 years old isn't old, also keep in mind on many routes you often get that it's only a certain run or 2 that requires a decker and not the entire allocation, this for example could be a run that passes a school at it's finishing time.
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Tbh if i'm not mistaken the PVR of "The One" is only around 35 vehicles, so it's about the same as the 2 and only slightly more than the 9/9A.
Yeah last I seen was 30 for the 2 PVR which is fairly believable. I don't expect the 1s to get new buses as much as I think they'd be great for them tbh. I don't see many high PVR services getting new buses because of the cost. Refurbs certainly seem like the way forward as a good cost saver where possible
They do that on the 31 they run a decker on it so the 1717 bus from town is a decker , though it appears it wasnt today . Was packed yesterday and was a alx400.
That bus was on the 5 today
The low height e400s should be on the 6 . Runs for cover ha
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No 6 years isn’t old for a bus but I’m thinking here that the 2 is a very tried and trusted route for First. It’s always provided a high capacity of passengers and must surely be a fairly big money maker and this can be seen through heavy investment since First began in 1997. I would have perhaps thought a pretty major route like this would have seen newer stock to allow the current fairly new stock to cascade elsewhere on the network where they could oust some B7RLEs.
As we can see this is obviously not First’s thinking. I guess we’ll see what next year’s order shows.
Also to add on I’ve saw on the comments of the above picture that the 2 will now be fully E300 operated? Isn’t this going even further back considering there are 65 plate E200MMCs which dominate the route also and that are only 4 years old?
The 2 is one of the most important routes . East to West route . Boy is it slow , learnt to pay extra for the train if going from Partick to East End.
The 65 mmcs are on any route really , seen one on the 6 today . The 2 is still mostly e300s .
The 2 will become E300s only very soon. E200MMCs and deckers won't be getting used once branding is completed. As I have previously said the 1 & 2 E300s are the perfect vehicles for these routes. Another few routes to be branded but should be after Xmas.
In above to another question Lanarkshire's 266 is possibly getting branded eventually. Possibly once it's fully streetlite operated I guess
In above to another question Lanarkshire's 266 is possibly getting branded eventually. Possibly once it's fully streetlite operated I guess
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Seen those 65 MMCs on 60s a bit this week too. Also seen them on the 7s a lot
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Probably unpopular opinion here and I’ll no doubt get shot down by those First supporters but I really don’t agree with the 2 becoming fully E300 operated. I think it’s a backwards step considering the E200MMCs are some of the nicest singles First have had. I like the E300s too and find them to be good buses but the E200MMCs were definitely a step up in terms of design and quality in my opinion. 6 years isn’t old for a bus, however some of the E300s are actually 7 years old now not to mention the E200s are only turning 4. For such a major route which at one time was the ‘Streamline’ route, I think First have made yet another bad decision here. The E300s are tired inside and at least could be doing with a retrim, new flooring and plug sockets installed to bring them up to date.
I'm surprised by one thing really with it and that's that there's going to be no deckers operating on them. With how poor the reliability is on the 2 they can be extremely packed even off peak. I do expect a good refurb with the E300s even if it is just the seats. I'm more surprised with the 1s not getting anything new as they're the absolute flagship route around Glasgow and a major success story. New buses could definitely help bring more people in from the quieter areas too in order to compete a bit with the train. Between Helensburgh and Dumbarton isn't ever that busy and Bowling isn't the best for passengers although better buses could do a job there as the train is every 30 mins
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Can anyone help? Of services 2 and 75 which is the busiest and which is the most profitable route? Thanks.
Would definitely need someone in the know for that. It's gotta be very close between the two services. I see an awful lot of the 2 as it's one of the big services where I stay and it's often very busy. However, I'd say out of the two it's the 75 that's busier and more profitable and I think the route length is part of that as the 75 is shorter. I've got a feeling that's why it was given new buses so quickly too