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Poll: Potential General Election: who are you voting for?

Potential October GE: Who will you vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 84 19.1%
  • Labour

    Votes: 129 29.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 29 6.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 0.9%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 130 29.6%
  • TIG

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • DUP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • UUP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party (or any local Green affiliate)

    Votes: 14 3.2%
  • Other independent or minor party (please state!)

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Spoiled ballot

    Votes: 7 1.6%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 13 3.0%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 24 5.5%

  • Total voters
    439
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Xenophon PCDGS

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I I'd prefer a Starmer government relying on one or more of LD/SNP/PC/SDLP/Green to a Boris government.

Even though I am far removed from the Labour Party, I do admit that had this scenario been a Starmer-led Labour Party actuality leading into this current General Election, it would have been a totally different matter in the lead up to the voting on 12th December.
 
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Given the SNP hold in Scotland (which will presumably get stronger), this means a massive swing to the Lib Dems, across the board in Labour and Conservative seats, so that they pick up a net 40-50+. Fairly unlikely I’d say, although not impossible. Even then it would require co-operation between Labour, LD, SNP & PC, and that means at least two referenda, and interesting negotiations about some SNP MPs becoming Ministers governing a country they actively want to leave.
I'm not actually sure if the SNP will actually achieve such a big gain in seats. Going purely by my own constituency results, what had been a fairly safe SNP seat for a couple of decades was taken back by the Tories in 2017.

Indyref in 2014 resulted in 57.6/42.4% in favour of "No", and in my council area the result was 50.1/49.9% in favour of remain in the Brexit referendum*. It only really makes sense to me in that voting for the SNP was seen as a protest vote against the Tories while Labour and the LibDems have never had a huge following here. The only time in recent memory that Labour took second place was in 2001, after which the Tories regained their spot in second place.

*Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moray_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

While I normally lend the SNP my vote (I'd prefer to vote Green, but they only stood a candidate in 2015), and will do again in this election, I can't help but feel that they're suffering slightly from being in power in Holyrood for so long.
 

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You named that tune in one. There are a minimum of 3 sides to every story. One persons side, the other persons side and the truth which is usually somewhere in the middle. Just as I am sure you already take my political posts and opinion with a bucket full of salt - likewise so do I with yours.
 

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Even though I am far removed from the Labour Party, I do admit that had this scenario been a Starmer-led Labour Party actuality leading into this current General Election, it would have been a totally different matter in the lead up to the voting on 12th December.
Oh hell yes absolutely. I am sure Jezza is a nice person but many just could not vote for him. My father in law ( late) lifelong Labour supporter but in 1983 just could not vote for Michael Foot.
 
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I belive Corbyn is a coward and an appeaser. Look at his stance over Kosovo and the wider Yugoslav conflicts generally. He would not have got involed. UK intervention in Kosovo prevented a masace. He would have stood around wringing his hands tutting coming up with excuses for genocide rather than send in troops to protect civilians.

That isn't good enough. There are times you have to fight or do something dangerous to save life. I dont think he would.

Indeed, price in our time and all that.
 

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That's not how I see it.

In the first place, although we have a fair idea what Labour's negotiating position would be, we do not as yet have much idea what the final deal will be. You appear to be expecting that Corbyn declares now that he will campaign in favour of (or against) an unknown deal. That hardly seems reasonable - and I'm pretty sure that if Corbyn did now declare either way which way he'd campaign, the Conservatives would immediately pounce on that as an attack line.

Secondly, we all saw what happened to David Cameron: Campaigned on one side of the referendum, lost, and instantly found himself in the almost untenable position of having as Prime Minister to implement something that he'd very publicly and very strongly been opposing 2 days before hand.

For those reasons, it seems to me that negotiating the best deal you can, then remaining neutral during the referendum so you can then credibly implement whatever the referendum result is seems to me like quite a sensible strategy. (And it's not like there won't be hundreds of other senior politicians weighing in with their views on either side of the debate).

Whilst I take your points I must disagree.

Corbyn has said several times now he will take the first three months of his premiership to do a new deal with the EU. That deal will, he tells us, will include a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections. He then says within 6 months we will have a referendum on the deal v remain. This is all in his manifesto. That is the deal he wants and expects to get. ( he doesn't explain how he will legislate for this but lets park that) but he wont even tell us if he supports that deal.

What are the Conservatives going to attack? That Mr Corbyn will support his own deal? That hardly seems revolutionary! Afterall his deal will deliver Brexit which is what they want! I expect Mr Corbyn, the man who has negotiated this fantastic new deal and delivered us from the brexit impasse to both tell us he supports his own deal and will campaign to deliver acceptance of that deal by the people. Instead Mr Corbyn is saying he will do a fantastic deal and then do nothing. He wont even tell us if he thinks his deal is a good one or why it would be better than remaining or vice versa! Yesterday when asked in the Andrew Neil interview who would campaign for the deal he said " people". It is embarrassing and immature.

Alternatively, if this is all a sham and he wants to leave ( which I suspect he does) he should say so now.
 

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I belive Corbyn is a coward and an appeaser. Look at his stance over Kosovo and the wider Yugoslav conflicts generally. He would not have got involed. UK intervention in Kosovo prevented a masace. He would have stood around wringing his hands tutting coming up with excuses for genocide rather than send in troops to protect civilians.

Tony Blair got involved in Kosovo and he's widely pilloried on both the left and right as a war-monger.

So it goes.
 

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Tony Blair got involved in Kosovo and he's widely pilloried on both the left and right as a war-monger.

So it goes.

At least he did something, perhaps shamed by the fact the west did little to stop the Yugoslav conflict generally. I don't think Corbyn would.
 

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so how do you feel that Britain should have reacted to unfolding events that were taking place at that time?

I think the NATO raids were the correct course of action, and John Major should be ashamed of himself for sitting on his hands four years earlier with Srebrenica.

But that wasn't my point. Corbyn is a "coward" and Blair is a "war criminal". Shows you can't win.
 

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I think the NATO raids were the correct course of action, and John Major should be ashamed of himself for sitting on his hands four years earlier with Srebrenica.

But that wasn't my point. Corbyn is a "coward" and Blair is a "war criminal". Shows you can't win.

agreed I prefer Corbyn is a pacifist- I don’t like the use of the word “ coward” towards him. The word is too strong and emotional imho
 

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On both sides of the debate there's fine lines to be trod. We certainly wouldn't want to be saying Dulce et Decorum Est however we also wouldn't want to be going round pinning white feathers on each other.
 

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I'm over 55 and I've been a landlord, but I'm voting Labour this time.

I was a member of the same (Oxford University) Conservative Association as both Theresa May (before me) and Boris Johnson (after me) but the values of the Conservative Party then and now are different, and I've not voted Conservative since 1992.

My MP is Esther McVey and it would give me great pleasure to see her off. I'm in about the 100th. safest seat in the country so it's not likely, but I live in hope.

I would rather we had an old Trot who isn't fit to run a political party as our next Prime Minister, better than a lying, cowardly fantasist that we currently have.

LibDems insult me by saying they won't support a minority Labour government when we all know that they'll leap at the chance. Just as David Cameron said he'd stick around whatever the outcome of the referendum in 2016 and we knew he was lying then too.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see if Labour comes a better second in Tatton in a few weeks, and I'll be adding to their vote.
I've now voted, as indicated in the poll and above I've voted Labour for the first time in my life. I have a postal vote and it was completed and posted this weekend. I don't change my mind on these things once I've decided. My local Conservatives were on the ball enough to post me something early exhorting me to use my postal vote in their favour; anyone who comes round to my house from now on is too late.
Actually, if anything I'm more happy with my choice as time goes on. I'd love to help unseat Esther McVey but realistically I'll keep my election night hopes limited to seeing a substantial reduction in her majority.
 

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I be looking forward to seeing Swinson lose her seat.
 
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Wow- I think she is a nice person.

She's anything but. The biggest liar in the election is so far. Her constituency is sick of her.

She's going to loose the LDs a lot seats.

Edit: I know there's lots of LD fans here so apologies for any insult taken.
 

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Edit: I know there's lots of LD fans here so apologies for any insult taken.

I'm usually a Lib Dem voter (but not this time as I'm voting tactically) and I'm not a particular fan of hers. I mean there's nothing particularly offensive about her or anything but the more I see the less I like. I can't put my finger on why though...
 

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I'm usually a Lib Dem voter (but not this time as I'm voting tactically) and I'm not a particular fan of hers. I mean there's nothing particularly offensive about her or anything but the more I see the less I like. I can't put my finger on why though...

She will literally say or do anything for power. Her track record has been deplorable. Totally untrustworthy, much more so than the other clowns standing for election.
 

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Wow- I think she is a nice person.

Swinson has actually managed to take the Lib Dems backwards in this campaign. There has been alot of goodwill towards the Lib Dems with their strong Remain stance in recent months but the public have seen Swinson up close over the past few weeks and don't like what they see.
 

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She's anything but. The biggest liar in the election is so far. Her constituency is sick of her.

Really? Bigger than Boris? Could you clarify what lies she's told recent? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any - unlike Boris, for whom I can think of quite a number of recent lies! (And I'm not even voting LibDem - I'm a Labour supporter)
 

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Really? Bigger than Boris? Could you clarify what lies she's told recent? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any - unlike Boris, for whom I can think of quite a number of recent lies! (And I'm not even voting LibDem - I'm a Labour supporter)

Just look at her past. Remember their all politician's, and as such, will lie consistently.

She is desperate for power and will do anything, beware these types.
 

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Just look at her past. Remember their all politician's, and as such, will lie consistently.

She is desperate for power and will do anything, beware these types.

So in other words, when I asked her what lies she has told, you couldn't quote a single one, yet you insist she's the biggest liar?!?!?

It rather looks to me like YOU are the one telling lies at this point :(
 

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So in other words, when I asked her what lies she has told, you couldn't quote a single one, yet you insist she's the biggest liar?!?!?

It rather looks to me like YOU are the one telling lies at this point :(

Nope, I simply haven't got round to listing her great many trespasses. It may actually be easier to list any actual truths.

The lack of such quotation does not infer a lie, some YOU should very much be aware of.

Do you remember ANYTHING about the coalition government? How about the tuition fees she promised to vote against to name one? :lol:

Have you been watching the grilling she's been getting from Neil and Marr?

She's handing the election to Boris? How does that make you feel?
 
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