Highland37
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One of the previously delivered sets or a new one?Another HST (refurb) has arrived at Brodie, Kilmarnock for exam.
One of the previously delivered sets or a new one?Another HST (refurb) has arrived at Brodie, Kilmarnock for exam.
One of the previously delivered sets or a new one?
They shouldn't be saying things like 'Getting a seat during the transition won’t be a problem.' Getting a seat on a Scotrail intercity service is very often a problem and removing reservations certainly won't make make it any easier for those who would've had booked seats in the past.Spotted on scot-rail - ScotRail to scrap seat reservations- https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...IqGPpVdQV3KkW_b9ECLi3Pw-lBGAOu4n6BlmTEv_jb6iw - presumably this is to save all the “reservations may not match” messages that you see on Journeycheck when a 170 or 158 replaces an HST and they’ll be retaining some sort of quota controlled advance product
That's a much more sensible response than others!My solution would be to firstly recognise the current situation which is that the fleet does not exist and the little that has been delivered, isn't that great.
Secondly, continue with the bear minimum of HSTs and units as the interim situation as long as required to deliver a new fleet which is probably at least 6 years.
But recognise that the current plans aren't working.
Spotted on scot-rail - ScotRail to scrap seat reservations- https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...IqGPpVdQV3KkW_b9ECLi3Pw-lBGAOu4n6BlmTEv_jb6iw - presumably this is to save all the “reservations may not match” messages that you see on Journeycheck when a 170 or 158 replaces an HST and they’ll be retaining some sort of quota controlled advance product
How on earth you can look at the facts and not blame wabtec is beyond me. They have failed in every possible way.
At a time when every other operator of HSTs is reducing their use, for good reasons, ScotRail are attempting to do the opposite.
How anyone can objectively look at the situation, without nostalgia goggles on, and not conclude that the entire project is a disaster...
I was speaking to a driver today on a refurb service to Inverness. I wasn't travelling though.
Nice train I said. "aye, when they work" was his response.
Having finally read this article:
"A ScotRail spokesperson said: “We have been badly let down by our high-speed train suppliers Wabtec and Angel, which means we don’t have as many upgraded trains as we should have had at this point.
‘Because of their failure to deliver enough refurbished High Speed Trains on time, we have multiple different types of trains serving our intercity routes."
I'm surprised at how scathing a response this is! No "we and our suppliers are working as hard as we can to deliver and run Scotland's best ever railway" typical PR.
They shouldn't be saying things like 'Getting a seat during the transition won’t be a problem.' Getting a seat on a Scotrail intercity service is very often a problem and removing reservations certainly won't make make it any easier for those who would've had booked seats in the past.
If Scotrail was honest with their passengers, and themselves, then they would've done this a year ago. But a large part of the problem with these trains I think is that the operator is kidding themselves most of the time.
There is, though, a difference between reliability and availability. It is the latter that ScotRail seem incapable of fixing.Looking at the MTIN moving annual average figures in Modern Railways, there is less than a thousand miles between GWR and ScotRail which does rather explode the myth that other operators have HSTs running reliably more than in Scotland.
Indeed, Abellio are very cautious about sending stuff out into service, definitely been on EC services with power cars far closer to death than I have sampled with Scotrail, they realise how perilous the PR situation is, and are not willying to chance it. Could be a good thing too if some of the stuff here regarding untrained fitters is trueThere is, though, a difference between reliability and availability. It is the latter that ScotRail seem incapable of fixing.
What are the latest numbers - compared to 158s and 170s?Looking at the MTIN moving annual average figures in Modern Railways, there is less than a thousand miles between GWR and ScotRail which does rather explode the myth that other operators have HSTs running reliably more than in Scotland.
Eh? What do you suggest they do to "bed them in"? How is a machine failing not down to the machine. It exists for the a sole purpose. There is no point in having it if it can't do what you want.
Unsure if you mean untrained as in not trained on HST's specifically or (more worryingly) not trained in mechanics full stop!Could be a good thing too if some of the stuff here regarding untrained fitters is true
Still, the LNER numbers are much higher than either GWR and Scotrail - despite diagrams that require 125mph running with heavier loads . I think it was around 16k MTIN from memory - certainly more than 50% greater reliability than any of the replacement 800s.What are the latest numbers - compared to 158s and 170s?
No. They are 40 years old. They are maintained by professionals and very well understood. However, they aren't able to deliver the service.
They're the same seats.I recently traveld on a refurb and a classic. And I can safely say the classic is comfiest to travel on. I felt the refurb seats were hard.
They're the same seats.
Looking at the MTIN moving annual average figures in Modern Railways, there is less than a thousand miles between GWR and ScotRail which does rather explode the myth that other operators have HSTs running reliably more than in Scotland.