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The locos have disappeared this week. It’s been rammed 3-car 175s so far so roll on the 16th if we’re going to get that 4th car back again.
Wheel flats on the DVT
The locos have disappeared this week. It’s been rammed 3-car 175s so far so roll on the 16th if we’re going to get that 4th car back again.
Thanks. Hope it doesn’t take too long to fix. Every seat was full at Piccadilly today so it’s going to be an interesting journey.Wheel flats on the DVT
Hope it's sorted by next Monday as I'm booked on it in first. Won't be happy with no tea and on a crush-loaded 175, not for the first time...
Why do they even need a DVT, when they have all day to run around at Canton? Guessing it's the Holyhead end, but again they must have time to do it overnight?
There is no first class on the Manchester set. The DVT is on the Manchester end, with the set stabling in Crewe overnight.
Ah, sorry, misread the thread title! I was thinking of the Premier Service.
Several reasonsHope it's sorted by next Monday as I'm booked on it in first. Won't be happy with no tea and on a crush-loaded 175, not for the first time...
Why do they even need a DVT, when they have all day to run around at Canton? Guessing it's the Holyhead end, but again they must have time to do it overnight?
It could run-around its stock at many of those reversals (Chester, Llandudno, Holyhead) given enough turnaround time, but I've got no idea if there's a suitable location to do so at Piccadilly any more.But anyway, this thread is about the North Wales set - which changes direction 5 times during the day and thus requires a functioning DVT, which at the moment it doesn't have.
But anyway, this thread is about the North Wales set - which changes direction 5 times during the day and thus requires a functioning DVT, which at the moment it doesn't have.
It could run-around its stock at many of those reversals (Chester, Llandudno, Holyhead) given enough turnaround time, but I've got no idea if there's a suitable location to do so at Piccadilly any more.
I appreciate that this is probably a silly question, but could someone possibly remind me what advantage a four-car LHCS set has over a four-car DMU?
In the Manchester - North Wales case, it has the advantage that disused LHCS is available, whereas additional DMUs arent/weren't.I appreciate that this is probably a silly question, but could someone possibly remind me what advantage a four-car LHCS set has over a four-car DMU?
It could run-around its stock at many of those reversals (Chester, Llandudno, Holyhead) given enough turnaround time, but I've got no idea if there's a suitable location to do so at Piccadilly any more.
LHCS is also nicer to travel on because you don't get the engine noise/vibration.
LHCS is also nicer to travel on because you don't get the engine noise/vibration.
Not heard that the plans have been changed so should be, yes.
Hmm. 16/12 isn't that far off. Does the set operate Sundays? That gives TfW one day less again. Should this thread title be changed to something like "Loco-hauled Manchester to North Wales" as we're in the transition process from Mk3 to Mk4 yet the motive power will remain the same?
Absolutely. I’d take over a 175 any day. Looking forward to the Mark 4s being introduced on the 16th. Waiting to see which 67 it’ll be also.
Hold your breath:-
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...-stock-to-tfw-wales-and-borders.196081/page-2
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The loop's still there in last month's PDF copy of the sectional appendix, but I don't know what the situation is in the signalbox itself.I'm not sure Llandudno has the run around loop anymore, it would need to shift the whole train down to the siding and do it there which would be quite time consuming. Although in the evening it does have about 30 minutes dwell time so could possibly be done.
I appreciate that this is probably a silly question, but could someone possibly remind me what advantage a four-car LHCS set has over a four-car DMU?
On every occasion when I've travelled on this train from Holyhead I've noticed that the rear coach (next to the loco) is locked, with a printed notice saying 'Out of use' in the droplight. It seems to happen so often that it surely can't be a defective coach. This means, of course, that it's a 3 coach train (although the stations announcements always say 'this train is formed of 4 coaches').
Curiously, joining the Holyhead service at Piccadilly I DID manage to get in the front coach (I wasn't first, I followed a lot of other passengers) and it wasn't locked. It seemed to get locked at Holyhead, though.
Perhaps it's something to do with a short platform somewhere, but why have 4 coaches if that's the case?
The platform at Helsby heading towards Manchester is too short to take 4 cars. The coach nearest the loco is normally unlocked on arrival at Frodsham. All 4 cars are needed through to Manchester, as shown by the overcrowding this week whilst it's been operated by a 3 car 175.
The crossover is worked from a ground frame not the signalbox. So it requires the attendance of an extra member of staff to operate it.The loop's still there in last month's PDF copy of the sectional appendix, but I don't know what the situation is in the signalbox itself.
I should have remembered the ground frame, having played around with it in SimSig a few times. I guess I should have said was "I don't know what the situation is at the station itself".The crossover is worked from a ground frame not the signalbox. So it requires the attendance of an extra member of staff to operate it.
I should have remembered the ground frame, having played around with it in SimSig a few times. I guess I should have said was "I don't know what the situation is at the station itself".
Thanks for that explanation. However, I have encountered it being locked West-bound as well but, as I travel only perhaps once every two months, I accept my experience is anecdotal; and also the demand in that direction is met by 3 coaches. Even 3 mk3s seat 24 more than a 3 car 175, to add to the overcrowding when the latter is used.
The crossover is worked from a ground frame not the signalbox. So it requires the attendance of an extra member of staff to operate it.