AlterEgo
Veteran Member
Abolishing the unelected House of Lords is now undemocratic?
I think I've heard everything now.
Where did I say it was undemocratic? I said it was an attempt at constitutional vandalism.
Abolishing the unelected House of Lords is now undemocratic?
I think I've heard everything now.
Can I have some of the salary Seamus Milne takes home please?
he should, personally, :
- apologise very clearly and openly for his own behaviour, views and comments,
- admit he was wrong to support and champion terrorist organisations like Hamas and Hezbollah
- admit going to a memorial for Palestinian terrorist murders was wrong and caused offense ( and that he lied about attending in the first place)
- apologsze for calling these people his friends,
- apologise for appearing on stage with these people,
- apologise for inviting them to Parliament
- admit that his handling of the problems of AS within the labour party have not been good enough, firm enough or quick enough
- commit to putting that right by bringing in a complete zero tolerance regime AND saying he will enforce it regardless of the rank of the person involved with immediate suspension followed by exclusion.
- he should apologise for letting down his jewish supporters and commit to winning back their trust
He can chuck in some mealy mouthed nonsense about being on a journey and educating himself and listening to stakeholders and colleagues if it makes him feel better but he needs to be blunt in saying he was wrong and will change.
It doesn't matter what's in the manifesto.
Corbyn and his inner circle are absolutely committed ideologues who know the principle of taking small steps to power. The fact our constitution has been trodden on so damagingly already in the last several years - beginning with Clegg and Cameron's attempt to abolish the Lords, not to mention the Brexit process - makes me think Corbyn is a dangerous choice.
Boris is just as bad, but in a different way.
Where did I say it was undemocratic? I said it was an attempt at constitutional vandalism.
Must have missed that, as constitutional vandalism doesn't show up when I search this thread.
Bad faith post. I clearly said the constitution had been trampled upon, which is the same thing. I don’t have to repeat the idiom exactly.
The point is the country’s constitution has undergone massive damage in the past decade. Boris’ attempted prorogation of Parliament was borderline abusive of the process. Corbyn would be much more dangerous in this situation of continual damage and is at least as inclined to use this damage to further his aims as Boris is. Corbyn is an undiluted ideologue and a weak man surrounded by dangerous ones.
What exactly is this damage and continual damage? Are you referring to outside influences and social media manipulation?
Can you imagine you will be able to have free access on Corbynet without some websites being blocked to "protect" citizens?
Thankyou for posting this - I don't see any antisemitism in there; he may have associated and perhaps supported factions that oppose the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli state, but I don't see any antisemitic nor anti-Zionist actions; not that anti-Zionism is necessarily antisemitic.
And, with respect, that is the crux of the problem. The Corbyn fan club never see any antisemitism and don't believe there is an issue. The rest of us can see there is.
And, with respect, that is the crux of the problem. The Corbyn fan club never see any antisemitism and don't believe there is an issue. The rest of us can see there is.
No, I’m talking about the continual trampling of the constitution. Brexit and its process are an easy example to think of; for a start Johnson unlawfully advised the monarch and brought her into the political and populist sphere in a way we haven’t seen for centuries. Parliament is sovereign yet has forgotten its authority comes from its electors and will not implement the people’s choice. We are in a time where the ends justify the means.
Corbyn did not damage the constitution (although he promises a legally binding referendum, a legal impossibility really, as parliament must approve any Brexit and cannot bind itself to make a future decision!).
The Tories take most of the blame for this damage along with the Lib Dems.
Imagine the Tories have vandalised a car, tampered with its brakes and fixed its steering. I don’t want Johnson driving that car. But I don’t trust Corbyn behind the wheel either. He’s the purest of ideologues and should be - and will be - rejected at the election.
The Corbynistas are completely blind to the problem. I will not vote for Labour in its current guise. Find your votes elsewhere; you will find it difficult to build a majority. I will continue to enjoy the spectacle of utter political ineptitude across all parties.
And, with respect, that is the crux of the problem. The Corbyn fan club never see any antisemitism and don't believe there is an issue. The rest of us can see there is.
Its not just Corbyn Denial Syndrome some Labour activists are suffering from. I've recently been involved in a social media scuffle with some over a friend of mine being accused of sharing pro-Tory "propaganda" on their FB account. And the so-called propaganda? A link to the current opinion polls!! It seems that some Labour supporters can't even bring themselves to admitting that Labour are getting a bit of a routing in the polls, even though the Glorious Leader is back-flipping on strategy on an almost daily basis.
Frankly, this GE should be a safe bet for Labour. That they continue to muck it up is deeply worrying. No wonder BoJo sends his senior adviser to Channel 4 for the climate debate, almost literally a block of melting ice could defeat Labour at the moment.
I think a "binding" referendum would be achieved simply by passing legislation that says the agreement comes into effect on a particular date unless the referendum turns it down. This would also have to be agreed with the EU, and would therefore only work if the agreement itself already sets out all the things that need to be agreed at that point. It would still be possible for Parliament to repeal that legislation before it came into effect, but obviously more difficult practically and politically than the current situation where they have to enact a new law for anything to happen.I now understand your position. I do believe that with the necessary legislation we could have a binding decision on the outcome of a referendum; the process would be much more tightly controlled than before and subject to electoral law, which is a bonus.
C4 Factcheck said:Leaked document casts doubt on Corbyn antisemitism claim...
...So if you thought Mr Corbyn’s claim that the party has “investigated every single case” meant that every allegation of antisemitism has received a full investigation by the Labour party, you’d be wrong.
State owned Broadband, just like China, what people can and can't see can be controlled by the state.
Irresponsible spending plans to bankrupt the country.
High taxes for the rich to put off investment and allow the state to swoop in.
Corbyn bangs on about economic equality, which sounds an awful lot like communism imo.
Imagine the Tories have vandalised a car, tampered with its brakes and fixed its steering. I don’t want Johnson driving that car. But I don’t trust Corbyn behind the wheel either. He’s the purest of ideologues and should be - and will be - rejected at the election.
BBC said:Claim 3: "We have a Queen's Speech that was blocked by Parliament." In fact the Queen's Speech was passed by 16 votes on 24 October.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50624056BBC said:General Election 2019: Boris Johnson's interview with Andrew Marr fact-checked'
Cant read newspapers at the moment, cant trust any of them yet others still read them. Iam surprised they are blinded towards the fact that they are biased.
This election has been a toxic one and very revealing of the truth in some aspects of the media.
Cant read newspapers at the moment, cant trust any of them yet others still read them. Iam surprised they are blinded towards the fact that they are biased.
This election has been a toxic one and very revealing of the truth in some aspects of the media.
Very worried about living in a society controlled by Johnson
The more interesting question is how we have got to this position.
The most divisive issue of a lifetime - Brexit. IMHO
Corbyn pre-dates Brexit.
The most divisive issue of a lifetime - Brexit. IMHO
Corbyn pre-dates Brexit.
IMO the root cause is successive governments taking us deeper into the European project without bothering to ask the people what they thought about it.Sounds like the root cause is David Cameron then?
I love this answer - sounds like how a true democracy should work.IMO the root cause is successive governments taking us deeper into the European project without bothering to ask the people what they thought about it.
By the time they were given a vote, resentment had built up such that 17.4m voted leave. To continue with further EU integration without consulting the people would have simply led to even bigger problems further down the road.
She deserved to remain unknown. By comparison, Tim Farron was an intellectual colossus. Her latest disastrous, live interview on 'Woman's Hour' this morning plumbed the depths, it was so embarassing. She cries 'sexism' whenever she is challenged on anything, despite some of her severeist detractors being other women, many of a feminist persuasion. The more she's interviewed, the lower the LD ratings go. Prime Minister? She might not even get back into parliament.Jo Swinson - bit of an unknown to me.
True. I think he truly believes fully blown socialism is the way forward. All history has shown otherwise and not learned the lessons of Labour in 1983. No matter what you thought of Blair, he was electable.