Next Labour Leader - Confirmed as Keir Starmer

[greyman42]

my head says Kier Starmer. my gonads say Angela Raynor

When Raynor recently appeared on Question Time in York she launched an attack on Nigel Farage that was full of hate, she was nearly spitting in his face. It was not a good image for a future Prime Minister.

 

[TheBigD]

The next Labour leader needs to gain a minimum of an addition 124 seats (a 62% increase) to be the next Labour government (coalition excepted).

That's the size of the task facing Labour.

Short of Boris becoming the Kim Campbell of British politics, I don't see any of the current Labour MPs overcoming that electoral mountain.

 

[DarloRich]

The next Labour leader needs to gain a minimum of an addition 124 seats (a 62% increase) to be the next Labour government (coalition excepted).

That's the size of the task facing Labour.

Short of Boris becoming the Kim Campbell of British politics, I don't see any of the current Labour MPs overcoming that electoral mountain.

They wont do that. This is an at least 2 term ( and perhaps 2 leader ) project and it needs to start now with the right leader to clean out the stable. Not one of the Corbyn clown army

 

[GRALISTAIR]

No. The answer is single malt. Bourbon is a biscuit isnt it

Rotflol

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Well. Hitler and Stalin were great leaders too ... your point is ?

It was a reply to post 71

 

[TheBigD]

They wont do that. This is an at least 2 term ( and perhaps 2 leader ) project and it needs to start now with the right leader to clean out the stable. Not one of the Corbyn clown army

I think 2 terms is optimistic. There's such a lack of talent in Labour right now. And I don't see them attracting talent in their current guise. The new leader has to address this and create a welcoming environment that will attract the necessary talent.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

I think 2 terms is optimistic. There's such a lack of talent in Labour right now. And I don't see them attracting talent in their current guise. The new leader has to address this and create a welcoming environment that will attract the necessary talent.

Including if I may risk saying people who are Jewish

 

[TheBigD]

Including if I may risk saying people who are Jewish

This is where the forthcoming EHRC report "should" help the next leader in getting rid of the extreme elements of the party/supporters.

 

[geoffk]

Labour need to choose somebody who the Tories fear. To sort-of -quote Richie Benaud, the best tactical move is always the move your opponent least wants you to play. Imagine then the howls of laughter on the Tory benches as Rebecca Long-Bailey and Richard ‘Einstein’ Burgon stand up at PMQs. Hilarious.

Yes, exactly right.

 

[geoffk]

One of the worse offenders for wanting to overturn the referendum. IMO he’d poll about the same as Corbyn outside London.

Not overturn, but confirm that Brexit was still what voters wanted three and a half years on, when we knew so much more. And of course the electorate has changed, with many more young voters and older voters passed on. But that argument was lost.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

They wont do that. This is an at least 2 term ( and perhaps 2 leader ) project and it needs to start now with the right leader to clean out the stable. Not one of the Corbyn clown army

I think 2 terms is optimistic. There's such a lack of talent in Labour right now. And I don't see them attracting talent in their current guise. The new leader has to address this and create a welcoming environment that will attract the necessary talent.

It will be a minimum of two terms. It may be that the next leader's role will be to return the Labour Party to electoral viability rather than actually win.

 

[TheBigD]

Current odds...

Rebecca Long Bailey 11/4
Lisa Nandy 4/1
Keir Starmer 13/2
Angela Raynor 8/1
Jess Phillips 8/1

Tony Blair is currently 200/1...

 

[nr758123]

Christ.

As far as I know, he's not a Labour Party member.

 

[DarloRich]

As far as I know, he's not a Labour Party member.

Christ only had to save mankind. The next labour leader has a bigger task

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

Apparently Michael Gove suggested this morning (don't know what it has to do with him) that Caroline Flint would be a good leader, but as she has lost her seat, that's a non-starter! She in turn has suggested that only Rebecca Long-Bailey and Lisa Nandy stand out amongst the names mentioned. Surprising that a Blairite should suggest the former, but of course Flint rails against the 'London elite' and certainly wanted to respect the leave vote.
There will be many past and present former MP's in the media over the next few weeks giving their two pennorth, and I'm pretty certain we may not be aware of the reason for some of their choices.

 

[bramling]

Not overturn, but confirm that Brexit was still what voters wanted three and a half years on, when we knew so much more. And of course the electorate has changed, with many more young voters and older voters passed on. But that argument was lost.

JP was rebuking the referendum result pretty much from the next day, I’d call that endeavouring to overturn. And her constituency was pretty pro leave too.

The remain side simply didn’t and don’t get just how much latent anti-EU feeling existed. The Conservatives are the only party who have recognised this, both offering the referendum in the first place and then embracing the result. It's no coincidence that the Conservatives have been rewarded sweetly at the ballot box, especially set against a background of others parties for example saying "bollocks" to the result.

I just don’t think it will work picking a leader where it will be easy to find footage of her telling the working classes what they should have voted for, as opposed to accepting the result and attempting to find a way of delivering it successfully.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Christ only had to save mankind. The next labour leader has a bigger task

Brilliant post

 

[507021]

I think it's going to take the vast majority of the next decade to sort out Labour's current situation. The next five years should be focused on trying to win back the working class vote, which the party has taken for granted for far too long. That and not electing David Miliband as leader in 2010 are, in my opinion, two of Labour's biggest mistakes in recent history.

My choices at the moment are Keir Starmer, Hilary Benn or Yvette Cooper. Nobody else really stands out to me, unless of course David Miliband came back, although I think it's very unlikely he will unfortunately.

 

[TheBigD]

My choices at the moment are Keir Starmer, Hilary Benn or Yvette Cooper. Nobody else really stands out to me, unless of course David Miliband came back, although I think it's very unlikely he will unfortunately.

Yvette Cooper stood for leadership in 2015. She ran a very poor low energy campaign. Nothing she did during that campaign suggests she's got what is needed this time around.

 

[Busaholic]

Yvette Cooper stood for leadership in 2015. She ran a very poor low energy campaign. Nothing she did during that campaign suggests she's got what is needed this time around.

The expenses scandal would get dragged out again if she put her name forward and, as you say, she put in a poor performance last time. I don't see her inspiring anybody to vote Labour again.

 

[AlterEgo]

No-one has mentioned David Lammy. OK he's a remainer and that would count against him but he's called for the party to get a grip on anti-semitism and take a stance on brexit, not stand in the middle of the road and risk getting run over. He's been a great speaker in the HoC.

Lammy's a race-baiting demagogue. Elect him as leader and perish outside of London. One of the few people more toxic than Corbyn.

 

[DarloRich]

I might have to rejoin and vote for someone sensible. Nandy seems to be being pushed by sensible people but she is a bit of unknown to me so i will have to do some research on her posistion.

 

[Kingspanner]

That's good. Be interesting how you get on at a branch meeting suggesting anyone other than an ultra momentum member for leader.

Well now we'll see because Ive gone and joined. Come on DarloRich! (To join, not be the next leader. Although...)

 

[underbank]

I think they need a real "Northern" MP to try to regain the lost Northern heartlands. Not a Londoner parachuted in to a Northern constituency, or a Northerner by birth who now lives their life in London - a proper Northerner who still lives and works in the North. They need someone credible to take the problems of the regions seriously and who understands what needs to be done to start to break down the North/South divide. If they could find someone it could be an easy sell to regain the Northern constituencies with Boris being a Londoner himself. But it also needs to be a "man/woman of the people" - heaven forbid, but someone with the persona of Farage who can come across as a believable bloke in the pub.

 

[underbank]

Yvette Cooper stood for leadership in 2015. She ran a very poor low energy campaign. Nothing she did during that campaign suggests she's got what is needed this time around.

We really don't need another patronising, sneery woman. It's one of the reasons Jo Swinson lost and also why Diane Abott doesn't come across well in the media. Boris has it right - an uplifting/upbeat attitude - Labour need to find their Boris!

 

[Ianno87]

The remain side simply didn’t and don’t get just how much latent anti-EU feeling existed. .

Really? It was a very low consideration in voters' minds until it was put right in front of them....

A bit like when one of my children says "Don't look in my room". I wasn't even thinking about it until you told me not to....

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Really? It was a very low consideration in voters' minds until it was put right in front of them....
A bit like when one of my children says "Don't look in my room". I wasn't even thinking about it until you told me not to....

In the USA it is called the Streisand effect.

 

[Iskra]

Labour's problem is simple. It no longer represents the people it was formed to represent. In fact it now tries to represent almost everyone but those people.

As a former Labour party member I'm glad they got smashed, hopefully lessons are learnt and we regain a credible opposition.

 

[Kingspanner]

I'll apply to be the next Labour leader! It's obvious - I'm Northern and will ride to power on anti-Pacer policies. That'll get 'em in the Valleys and the North-West.

 

[jfollows]

Labour's problem is simple. It no longer represents the people it was formed to represent. In fact it now tries to represent almost everyone but those people.

Labour's current problem is that it doesn't seem to realise that it doesn't represent its target voters. There is still a lot of blaming everyone but Labour doing the rounds at the moment. Coming to the realisation before chosing its next leader is going to be vital, because I think that if the next leader is Corbyn other than in name then it'll be a continuing disaster for Labour.