Transpennine Express December 2019 Proposals

[route101]

Actually I can suggest a reason you can’t get a reasonable priced AP. i have experience the same issues. The problem is actually TPE not having opening reservations.

i tend to book the AP from York - Scotland then but the York - Destination separately. So the reason you often can’t get an AP is because TPE don’t realise then on existing stock. (Because it is too small)

would you not rather wait 6 months and have you core route fixed first?

Wonder if TPE will offer cheap advances between Edinburgh and Newcastle and points further South?

 

[ainsworth74]

Wonder if TPE will offer cheap advances between Edinburgh and Newcastle and points further South?

They did (I've got one!) but they stopped selling shortly after release presumably as they realised the service was untenable in the short term.

 

[TrainTube]

Do we know whether 350s will run this week?

 

[tpjm]

Do we know whether 350s will run this week?

There aren’t enough a Class 397s to cover all WCML diagrams yet, so yes.

 

[TrainTube]

There aren’t enough a Class 397s to cover all WCML diagrams yet, so yes.

Is it quoted somewhere what diagrams the 397s will run?

 

[BeHereNow]

Thanks goodness they put an emergency timetable in to reduce the number of cancellations.

 

[TrainTube]

Thanks goodness they put an emergency timetable in to reduce the number of cancellations.

What amendments have been made?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

What amendments have been made?

By cancelling 7 round trips Liverpool-York-Edinburgh until 5 January (at least).
That's half the service, including some peak trains.

 

[Jamesrob637]

By cancelling 7 round trips Liverpool-York-Edinburgh until 5 January (at least).
That's half the service, including some peak trains.

As long as things resume on 06 Jan - business passenger numbers will be a little down for the next three weeks over the festive period.

 

[kieron]

One other thing which adds pressure to TPE's revenue is the fact that some flexible Avanti/Northern only fares have recently been created between Manchester and Edinburgh, with the Manchester Airport-Edinburgh off peak return at a lower price than the cheapest Preston-Edinburgh of peak return.

 

[AndyHudds]

By cancelling 7 round trips Liverpool-York-Edinburgh until 5 January (at least).
That's half the service, including some peak trains.

Not a good start, a raft of cancellations this morning, I know TPE have publicised some of these through the media but your average passenger won't really care about a long list of excuses trotted out by TPE about driving training and the like, they'll just see it as the same old railway failures.

 

[Failed Unit]

Not a good start, a raft of cancellations this morning, I know TPE have publicised some of these through the media but your average passenger won't really care about a long list of excuses trotted out by TPE about driving training and the like, they'll just see it as the same old railway failures.

They will have Northern in their crosshairs so TPE will get away with this unnoticed.

However these are additional cancellations. The halving of the Liverpool - Newcastle- Edinburgh route won’t be in journey planners and won’t count as the are planned cancellations.

I see LNER are passing tickets. Some irony behind that that TPE are leaching their revenue and now they are carrying these passengers and getting nothing for it.

 

[scarby]

So how long before the heralded new timetable hits problems?

The new 05.34 departure from Scarborough left 7 minutes late and is now running 16 late.

The 06.34 departure left 9 late and is now running 24 late.

The 08.52 arrival into Scarborough cancelled and the 09.34 departure cancelled.

Same old rubbish.

 

[rg177]

Some rather large gaps in service from Newcastle this morning.

Also first two Redcar services were started at Midelesbrough...

 

[Failed Unit]

So how long before the heralded new timetable hits problems?

The new 05.34 departure from Scarborough left 7 minutes late and is now running 16 late.

The 06.34 departure left 9 late and is now running 24 late.

The 08.52 arrival into Scarborough cancelled and the 09.34 departure cancelled.

Same old rubbish.

A nice list of Cancellations I see on Scarborough- Liverpool. At least Liverpool passengers have Northern and EMT.

 

[385001]

One other thing which adds pressure to TPE's revenue is the fact that some flexible Avanti/Northern only fares have recently been created between Manchester and Edinburgh, with the Manchester Airport-Edinburgh off peak return at a lower price than the cheapest Preston-Edinburgh of peak return.

That's interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[385001]

Might make more sense to look at the times a bit later in the year - firstly after 16 February and then after April.

Thanks for the info on the dates.

So the number of departures looks the same but after April it is planned that the 0810 will go to Manchester Airport and the 1930 will go to Lime Street.

 

[Failed Unit]

The BBC website shows again how TPE seem to be escaping the media spotlight.

“Northern Rail Delay : cancellations as the new timetable begins”.

Nineteen trains had been cancelled by 10:00 GMT and 31 delayed, some due to a shortage of drivers.
The operator said the issue affected services between Blackpool North and Manchester Airport, Leeds to York and Sheffield, and Darlington to Saltburn.
Transpennine Express had also cancelled 29 services on Monday morning.

So TPE have done worse by both number and % of trains ran. But northern takes most of the heat again.

 

[quantinghome]

The BBC website shows again how TPE seem to be escaping the media spotlight.

“Northern Rail Delay : cancellations as the new timetable begins”.

So TPE have done worse by both number and % of trains ran. But northern takes most of the heat again.

I'm trying to imagine how it would go if, when asked to account for some failure at work, I said to my boss "but Bob's even worse!"

 

[Failed Unit]

I'm trying to imagine how it would go if, when asked to account for some failure at work, I said to my boss "but Bob's even worse!"

To me the main headline should be directed towards TPE, with the byline mentioning northern. Would you in this analogy be happy your incompetence is highlighted but Bob’s isn’t even noticed dispite being worse?

 

[PG]

They will have Northern in their crosshairs so TPE will get away with this unnoticed.

However these are additional cancellations. The halving of the Liverpool - Newcastle- Edinburgh route won’t be in journey planners and won’t count as the are planned cancellations.

I see LNER are passing tickets. Some irony behind that that TPE are leaching their revenue and now they are carrying these passengers and getting nothing for it.

Thanks for the heads up re ticket acceptance, also note Cross Country have acceptance too between Edinburgh and York in addition to LNER.

How right you are - the media have Northern firmly in their sights post May 2018 so TPE doing worse yet escape with hardly a mention!

 

[palmersears]

Not been keeping track of this thread, but are there any reasons behind the scrapping of the xx24 Victoria to Lime Street services early in the morning? Leaves just the one tph to Lime Street which isn't great for the morning peak.

 

[AndyHudds]

Choas at Leeds tonight, the 16.45 is delayed and arrives late to a platform of about 200 to 300 passengers, if not more, resulting in passengers being left behind. The 17.00 is cancelled thankfully the 17.07 turns up on time but by this time the platform has filled up again. The commute between Leeds and Huddersfield is become miserably horrific.

Although I note from the BBC news website it's Northern getting it in the neck over cancellations with the new timetable, whilst remarkabley, TPE continue to fly under the radar.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Choas at Leeds tonight, the 16.45 is delayed and arrives late to a platform of about 200 to 300 passengers, if not more, resulting in passengers being left behind. The 17.00 is cancelled thankfully the 17.07 turns up on time but by this time the platform has filled up again. The commute between Leeds and Huddersfield is become miserably horrific.

Although I note from the BBC news website it's Northern getting it in the neck over cancellations with the new timetable, whilst remarkabley, TPE continue to fly under the radar.

Is the 16:45 6-car now from the TT change?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

How right you are - the media have Northern firmly in their sights post May 2018 so TPE doing worse yet escape with hardly a mention!

I think part of it is that Northern have many commuter routes where they provide the only service, so users have no alternative.
TPE by contrast generally run on routes with more than one operator, or at least the possibility of another route for many users.
But the media campaign, and "story" is against Northern, thanks to Andy Burnham.
The media also know that DfT is threatening to terminate the Northern franchise.
Having just awarded First Group the West Coast route, it wouldn't exactly be politic for them to castigate TPE.
First Group is also on a financial knife-edge for non-rail reasons, too.

 

[AndyHudds]

Is the 16:45 6-car now from the TT change?

No, a single 3 car 185 rumbled in to platform 16.

 

[AndyHudds]

I think part of it is that Northern have many commuter routes where they provide the only service, so users have no alternative.
TPE by contrast generally run on routes with more than one operator, or at least the possibility of another route for many users.
But the media campaign, and "story" is against Northern, thanks to Andy Burnham.
The media also know that DfT is threatening to terminate the Northern franchise.
Having just awarded First Group the West Coast route, it wouldn't exactly be politic for them to castigate TPE.
First Group is also on a financial knife-edge for non-rail reasons, too.

That's certainly not true between Huddersfield and Leeds, it's TPE only!!!

 

[Andyh82]

Northern runs more services so a ‘big’ number of delays or cancellations albeit spread across their vast network sounds better in a headline, even though it could be much smaller than TPE in percentage terms.

 

[TrainTube]

A nice list of Cancellations I see on Scarborough- Liverpool. At least Liverpool passengers have Northern and EMT.

If on Wednesday the 12:54 Liverpool service from Victoria is cancelled, am I eligible to get the 12:36 EMT service from Piccadilly?

 

[Failed Unit]

If on Wednesday the 12:54 Liverpool service from Victoria is cancelled, am I eligible to get the 12:36 EMT service from Piccadilly?

If you have a “tpe only” ticket they seem to be passing on other TOCs. It may be EMR or Northern depending on loading.

if you have an inter available ticket then absolutely no problem.