Heathrow Express are introducing some to replace 332s.
By refurbishing existing 2016-2017 units, they aren't new units.
Those aren't new builds though are they? Thought they were being converted from the existing GWR fleet.
No, but the quote I was replying to specified "introduced" not "built".
At the risk of being pedantic, by that notion the 1970s HSTs that transferred temporarily to Hull Trains and Scotrail would have been 'introduced' in the 2010s. Where do you draw the line? I think the spirit of the thread interprets 'introduced' as when the particular train was newly introduced, not reintroduced with another operator.
Fair point. I suppose that for the purposes of this thread, a good quality refurbishment or refit is as valid as a new build. The 185 refurbishment was a pretty successful project, despite being little more than a thorough redecorating. The removal of all the horrible corporate FirstGroup purple made a big difference, and to think that 180s are still running around with worn out Barbie moquette after a decade out of Firstgroup hands!
It took more than a decade after First to shed it on the 360/1s
A refurbishment is one thing, but changing operator is something else! They might be given a new TOPS number too. The 387s are good quality units though, one of the better products by Bombardier this decade.
It took more than a decade after First to shed it on the 360/1s
that being the case then I would nominate the 395's
It took more than a decade after First to shed it on the 360/1s
Lets see what happens with EMRs refurbishment. The oldest of the desiro fleet may look even better then the newer 350s
Obviously the Class 68. My Lords!
Anyone voting for anything else needs to spend some time at the front droplight on one of the Fife commuter sets and then reassess their response
Don't have one as in West Wales I'm yet to see a modern train but for high end refits it is the 153 units which have been and the 158s
The 800s interiors are exact clones of each other minus decals, carpets and seat covers.
Not quite, there are also some layout differences between the LNER and GWR examples (e.g. the lack of a buffet with the latter).
Agreed, I was commuting regularly on the Metropolitan/Circle line at the time that the S stock were replacing the old A and C stocks, and continue to use those lines intemittently, and while the A stock held a vague historical appeal the S stock is an absolute breath of fresh air compared to the old trains. The Metropolitan, Circle and District lines are a much pleasanter travelling environment now that they have gone over to S stock operation, and I was relieved that the new trains were in the ascendant when I began using those services regularly.
Yeah that quite effectively sums up everything I like about the S stock.
The biggest reason for the longitudinal seating on 345s has yet to come into effect of course. Once stage 4 is in operation people will soon realise why they're needed. As it stands right now they're useful for making up for the fact we're still running 7-car trains rather than 9-car but wouldn't otherwise be necessary.
