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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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ScottDarg

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Looking at the "live departures" for Perth on the Scotrail app, almost every train shows 3 coaches. Where on early are these HSTs?

There were at least 3 sets out today - Classic set HA02, Refurb set HA20 and an unknown classic set (had the giant bicycle on one blue coach). However, I also noted 3 170s and 1 158 out on Intercity services.

HA02 seen on the 13:40 Queen St - Aberdeen.

HA20 seen on the 12:47 Aberdeen - Queen St.

Unknown set on the 13:12 Aberdeen - Edinburgh.
 
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It's always possible that Angel trains and Wabtec are losing so much on the contract that they would be happy to cancel.
 

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If only we could have your HSTs back in Cornwall reformed to 8 cars with buffet & running the London services instead of the IETs - Swap you our IETs for your HST's ??
 

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Well, the DfT have given Scotrail a dispensation for the unrefurbished HSTs, until 31/12/2020: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/heavy-rail-fleets-2020-targeted-compliance
Let's hope they can get the remaining 16 sets (if my maths is correct) delivered and working by this time next year!

On the plus side DfT are supposedly going to be getting an update on the progress of the refurbishment every 28 days from tomorrow - be nice if they published it...
 

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We love our new GTI HSTs in Cornwall
Quite sad that you can't enjoy what we have - if our trains work - why is it your's don't
That is the question you should be asking

This is exactly the question.

Regardless of the issues with the Wabtec conversion works, Scotrail have a full set of "refurbished" power cars and plenty of sets of coaches both classic and sliding door versions. Both XC and GWR are in the same position, but seem to manage to press the required amount of stock into service. What is different up here?
 

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With Scotail targetting 10/11 sets out in a typical day (lets guage them from 6th Jan onwards) then for every new refurb set delivered, a classic will be taken outta service.

So, until 4/5 more refurbs are delivered, there won't be an increase in number of sets running, just the removal of classics from the fleet.
 

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Reports last year seemed to suggest no derogations, but needs must

Letters for various operators were published at 15:00 Yesterday. This is the one for the ScotRail HSTs: https://assets.publishing.service.g...-form-hsts-2020-dispensation-letter-timed.pdf

That dispensation allows use of the current Classic sets until 23:59 on 31/12/2020. I would quote the relevant bit of the letter but the formatting doesn't carry over making it a bit of a headache to read.
 

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Letters for various operators were published at 15:00 Yesterday. This is the one for the ScotRail HSTs: https://assets.publishing.service.g...-form-hsts-2020-dispensation-letter-timed.pdf

That dispensation allows use of the current Classic sets until 23:59 on 31/12/2020. I would quote the relevant bit of the letter but the formatting doesn't carry over making it a bit of a headache to read.

Thanks, I saw that derogations had been issued for EMR, but missed the ScotRail ones
 

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Today travelling south on the Highland Chieftain Azuma, and a bit disappointed.
The last week or so, travelled by a 170, 158, refurbished inter7city and now Azuma.
My favourite the refurbished HST by a long way. Internally I reckon a very good job and inside as modern and have more comfortable seats and ride than Azuma. LNER service still provides good service though!!
Comparing the 158 with 170.
In winter the 158 is warmer and to my mind is more comfortable and beats the 170 with its mid opening doors at Kingussie etc. Both though struggle to be felt as intercity trains.
My choices
1. Inter7city Refurbished HST
2. LNER Azuma
3. Scotrail 158
4. Scotrail 170
Am strong supporter of these HST trains if they can be made to work before electrification.
 

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From Facebook for 02/01/2020:

43035 HA06 43179 - GWR CLASSIC
1B18 09:04 Aberdeen Edinburgh 11:37
1A75 12:30 Edinburgh Aberdeen 14:50
1B40 16:02 Aberdeen Edinburgh 18:33
1A88 19:34 Edinburgh to Aberdeen 21:53

43033 HA20 43132 - REFURB
1A71 11:32 Edinburgh Aberdeen 13:52
1T34 15:38 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 18:23
1A87 18:40 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 21:20
1H43 22:00 Aberdeen Inverness 00:08

43177 HA02 43139 - CLASSIC
1A55 09:28 Edinburgh Aberdeen 11:51
1B32 13:12 Aberdeen Edinburgh 15:33
1A79 16:28 Edinburgh Aberdeen 19:05
1T48 19:45 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 22:21

158705 + 158708 vice HST
1A50 11:02 Inverness Aberdeen 13:10
1H33 13:43 Aberdeen Inverness 16:01
1A58 17:14 Inverness Aberdeen 19:40

43141 HA24 43168 - REFURB
1T18 10:46 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 13:18
1A67 13:39 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 16:22
1T40 17:39 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 20:26
1A91 20:40 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 23:21

170451 vice HST
1A53 09:46 Perth Aberdeen 11:21
1T22 12:47 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 15:18
1A73 15:39 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 18:13
1B47 19:16 Aberdeen Edinburgh 21:34

170394 vice HST
1B24 11:02 Aberdeen Edinburgh 13:23
1A78 15:28 Edinburgh Aberdeen 17:52
1T44 18:40 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 21:15
1A95 21:40 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 00:29

43137 HA31 43028 - CLASSIC
1H51 12:08 Glasgow QS Inverness 15:22
1B54 15:56 Inverness Edinburgh 19:34
1H19 19:41 Edinburgh Inverness 23:14

43131 HA23 43003 - REFURB
1B52 09:44 Inverness Edinburgh 13:15
1H13 13:33 Edinburgh Inverness 16:54
1T62 17:27 Inverness Glasgow QS 20:45

43181 HA19 43129 - REFURB
1T98 08:45 Inverness Glasgow QS 12:07
1H15 15:08 Glasgow QS Inverness 18:26
1B44 18:53 Inverness Edinburgh 22:23

170401 + 158702 vice HST
1A59 10:40 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 13:12
1T26 13:50 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 16:18
1A77 16:42 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 19:27
1B51 20:11 Aberdeen Edinburgh 22:47
 

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From Facebook for 02/01/2020:

43035 HA06 43179 - GWR CLASSIC
1B18 09:04 Aberdeen Edinburgh 11:37
1A75 12:30 Edinburgh Aberdeen 14:50
1B40 16:02 Aberdeen Edinburgh 18:33
1A88 19:34 Edinburgh to Aberdeen 21:53

43033 HA20 43132 - REFURB
1A71 11:32 Edinburgh Aberdeen 13:52
1T34 15:38 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 18:23
1A87 18:40 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 21:20
1H43 22:00 Aberdeen Inverness 00:08

43177 HA02 43139 - CLASSIC
1A55 09:28 Edinburgh Aberdeen 11:51
1B32 13:12 Aberdeen Edinburgh 15:33
1A79 16:28 Edinburgh Aberdeen 19:05
1T48 19:45 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 22:21

158705 + 158708 vice HST
1A50 11:02 Inverness Aberdeen 13:10
1H33 13:43 Aberdeen Inverness 16:01
1A58 17:14 Inverness Aberdeen 19:40

43141 HA24 43168 - REFURB
1T18 10:46 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 13:18
1A67 13:39 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 16:22
1T40 17:39 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 20:26
1A91 20:40 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 23:21

170451 vice HST
1A53 09:46 Perth Aberdeen 11:21
1T22 12:47 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 15:18
1A73 15:39 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 18:13
1B47 19:16 Aberdeen Edinburgh 21:34

170394 vice HST
1B24 11:02 Aberdeen Edinburgh 13:23
1A78 15:28 Edinburgh Aberdeen 17:52
1T44 18:40 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 21:15
1A95 21:40 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 00:29

43137 HA31 43028 - CLASSIC
1H51 12:08 Glasgow QS Inverness 15:22
1B54 15:56 Inverness Edinburgh 19:34
1H19 19:41 Edinburgh Inverness 23:14

43131 HA23 43003 - REFURB
1B52 09:44 Inverness Edinburgh 13:15
1H13 13:33 Edinburgh Inverness 16:54
1T62 17:27 Inverness Glasgow QS 20:45

43181 HA19 43129 - REFURB
1T98 08:45 Inverness Glasgow QS 12:07
1H15 15:08 Glasgow QS Inverness 18:26
1B44 18:53 Inverness Edinburgh 22:23

170401 + 158702 vice HST
1A59 10:40 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 13:12
1T26 13:50 Aberdeen Glasgow QS 16:18
1A77 16:42 Glasgow QS Aberdeen 19:27
1B51 20:11 Aberdeen Edinburgh 22:47

So not bad, but could be better. As I have mentioned on other threads, TOCs can "get away with" short-forms until Monday due to lighter loads.
 

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Not bad? It's less than 50% of the refurbs they have in service with the rest replaced by units and non-refurb HSTs. It's dire! I think the data show that the HST is the least reliable and most unavailable train Scotrail have.
 

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Not bad? It's less than 50% of the refurbs they have in service with the rest replaced by units and non-refurb HSTs. It's dire! I think the data show that the HST is the least reliable and most unavailable train Scotrail have.

Fair point I was just going on HST regardless of interior/PRM mods. But it'll be dire come Monday in any case.
 

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I am hoping that they are using all of the time available to get as many HSTs to the highest standard possible, before they lose more units. Only when the 170 numbers decrease further will we see the whole picture.
 

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Posted on Facebook again here are today's

SCOTRAIL 03/01
Slammers
43139 HA02 43177
0553 Glasgow to Aberdeen
0944 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1239 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1632 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1938 Glasgow to Aberdeen
2323 Aberdeen to Perth

43030+HA03+43144
0741 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1046 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1340 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1739 Aberdeen to Glaasgow
2040 Glasgow to Aberdeen

43035+HA06+43179
0539 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1208 Glasgow to Inverness
1556 Inverness to Edinburgh
1941 Edinburgh to Inverness

43028 HA31 43137
0845 Inverness to Glasgow
1508 Glasgow to Inverness
1853 Inverness to Edinburgh

Refurbs
43026+HA17+43148
0944 Inverness to Edinburgh
1333 Edinburgh to Inverness
1727 Inverness to Glasgow

43129+HA19+43181
0729 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1102 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1528 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1840 Aberdeen to Glasgow
2140 Glasgow to Aberdeen

43033+HA20+43132
0738 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1040 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1350 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1642 Glasgow to Aberdeen
2011 Aberdeen to Edinburgh

43012+HA21+43175
0456 Inverness to Edinburgh
1132 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1538 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1841 Glasgow to Aberdeen

43003+HA23+43131
0840 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1247 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1539 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1916 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
2143 Edinburgh to Aberdeen

43141+HA24+43168
0548 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
0928 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1313 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1628 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1945 Aberdeen toGlasgow
2309 Glasgow to Dundee

43146+HA25+43169
0530 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
0904 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1230 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1600 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1934 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
 

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Note the two diagrams scheduled to finish in Perth and Dundee in anticipation for tomorrows line closure
 

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So all Intercity services are HSTs today? If so that is great news.

Nope nowhere near all remember all intercity services are all the inverness-aberdeen, inverness-glasgow, inverness-edinburgh and then Aberdeen-glasgow and aberdeen-edinburgh services. Still a lot of booked 170 diagrams out as usual at the moment but 11 HST sets out today with the 7 refurbs and 4 classics with three extra services which are usually 170 booked working as HST today due to tomorrow's line closure between Aberdeen and Dundee to have sets in place to run diagrams tomorrow
 

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So it’s 10 diagrams mixed just now until more deliveries and ScotRail can run all 10 as refurbs.

I still think it’s really low the number of available refurbs.

We have 9 currently and at any one time 1/3 are unavailable.
 

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So it’s 10 diagrams mixed just now until more deliveries and ScotRail can run all 10 as refurbs.

I still think it’s really low the number of available refurbs.

We have 9 currently and at any one time 1/3 are unavailable.
We have 10. The tenth arrived on the Saturday before Christmas.
 
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