Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

[IamTrainsYT]

see https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/northern-pacer-withdrawals-info.166981/page-99#post-4391920 updated list there

 

[ed1971]

How is it wrong?! Even the most rose tinted glass wearing of you have to admit these are not fit for purpose in 2020. Happy to see a few preserved, but memories of being bounced around in these things on the likes of the Tyne Valley line for hours aren't good. Whilst I appreciate they changed the face of the railways in the 90s only the die hards will miss them.

Because services are now being short formed and crowded.

 

[Southern Dvr]

All of those TfW ones due to go off lease at end of July, do we really all think the 769s will be ready by then?

 

[IamTrainsYT]

do we really all think the 769s will be ready by then?

Absolutely no, there time will no doubt be extended

 

[Entertexthere]

Leeds (and therefore Wakefield) will continue to see them on Sheffield stoppers pretty much as long as Sheffield still has them, I'd have thought...

That is of course including 144s- if we're talking just 142s then unless any sneak down the Calder Valley attached to Sprinters we may have already seen the last of them in service there.

I've seen one or 2 over the past 3ish days, however, it's been rather quiet near "The Curve" which is a bit of a shame.

 

[trainmania100]

Another one for scrap Tuesday Gascoigne to Newport
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=K00008&d=14/01/2020

At this moment in time that's all can see for next week at Gascoigne.

 

[Pkh72]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K06295/2020-01-14/detailed

There is also this Kingsbury bound one on Tuesday

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I've seen one or 2 over the past 3ish days, however, it's been rather quiet near "The Curve" which is a bit of a shame.

Is that Pacers in general or specific types? As I said I'd be surprised if any 142s find their way to Wakefield, as they can only run with other units and only the Sheffield via Moorthorpe is likely to be more than a single unit.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Is that Pacers in general or specific types? As I said I'd be surprised if any 142s find their way to Wakefield, as they can only run with other units and only the Sheffield via Moorthorpe is likely to be more than a single unit.

Only 144s are up that way. All 142s are at newton Heath or Heaton waiting for transfer to newton heath

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Only 144s are up that way. All 142s are at newton Heath or Heaton waiting for transfer to newton heath

That's as I thought, just wasn't sure which was meant by the post I'd quoted. If 142s had been working solo, it'd be going in my "little black book of Northern non-compliance"...

 

[superkev]

Only 144s are up that way. All 142s are at newton Heath or Heaton waiting for transfer to newton heath

144s are only at Heaton for maintenance I believe as Neville Hill was presumably a bit full.
Neville Hill seems to be losing work in the future as post Pacer it will only have 333s, some 331s, 158s and perhaps some 150s allocated All the 195s were proposed to be for Newton Heath if they ever finish the new shed.
Also EMR trains will reduce when they get there new trains. Bit off topic sorry.
K

 

[The Prisoner]

Because services are now being short formed and crowded.

no change there then.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Went to newton Heath today and saw a pacer sat inside the shed. Glad to see that northern are still maintaining there fleet of pacers not dumping them to the side once they have broken

 

[trainmania100]

Off topic but if anyone wants a visit to Gascoigne sidings in march...
https://www.branchline.uk/fixture_set_id.php?id=266
Branch line society have a tour that goes into Gascoigne sidings. Might be of interest. No idea if there will be any Pacers there at that time though

 

[Mordac]

Went to newton Heath today and saw a pacer sat inside the shed. Glad to see that northern are still maintaining there fleet of pacers not dumping them to the side once they have broken

If you can call what they do at Newton Heath maintenance.

 

[NorthernSpirit]

A few that have been scrapped recently have now been added to the list.

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped / sent to be scrapped
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.
Pink - can operate provided that they are coupled to a PRM compliant unit.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - was in storage at Barrow, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
004 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - was in storage at Barrow, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
008 - Scrapped (Collided with a class 87 at Winsford in 1999).
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
014 - was in warm storage at Heaton TMD, now at Gascoigne Wood.
015 - Scrapped, Newport Docks.
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018 - in warm store at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
024 - was at Allerton, now at Newton Heath TMD.
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
029 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway
030 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway
031 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
032 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
033 - Converted to a Police Training Unit by South Wales Police at Bridgend rugby pitch.
034 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
035 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
036 - Unit to be preserved at East Kent Railway, still in service at Northern - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
037 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
040 - was in storage at Barrow, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
041 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
042 - Scrapped, Newport Docks.
043 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
046 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
047 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
048 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood (soon moving to Newport Docks or Landore)
050 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
051 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
052 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
053 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
054 - was in warm storage at Longsight TMD, now at Newton Heath TMD.
055 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
056 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
057 - Scrapped, Newport Docks
058 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
059 - Scrapped (Collided with buffer stops at Liverpool Lime Street in 1991.)
060 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
061 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
062 - was in warm storage at Longsight TMD, now at Newton Heath TMD.
063 - was in warm storage at Heaton TMD, now at Gascoigne Wood.
064 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
065 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
066 - Scrapped, Newport Docks.
067 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood. If used again, it must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
068 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
069
070 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
071 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
072
073 - ?
074
075
076
077
078 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089 - was in warm storage at Newton Heath TMD, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
090 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
095 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire near Nailsea & Backwell in 2004).
614
615 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire in 2005).
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill TMD, can run on specified routes and can run solo.
001 - "Penistone Line Partnership"
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications. (Possibly the last ever Pacer in service?)
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023


This list is not operator specific, but it does cover all Pacers that are in the firing line.

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[ed1971]

If you can call what they do at Newton Heath maintenance.

I went on 142004 today, it had quite a bad engine vibration on one of the carriages; possibly an engine mounting.

 

[Mordac]

I went on 142004 today, it had quite a bad engine vibration on one of the carriages; possibly an engine mounting.

Not enough gaffer tape clearly.

 

[ed1971]

no change there then.

For the past few years, many Atherton line services have been formed of four carriages as has Wigan to Alderley Edge and Wigan to Stalybridge. Since the massive 142 withdrawals last month, most are now just a single unit. I eagerly await the 769s.

 

[ed1971]

Not enough gaffer tape clearly.

Lol!!!

 

[Entertexthere]

Is that Pacers in general or specific types? As I said I'd be surprised if any 142s find their way to Wakefield, as they can only run with other units and only the Sheffield via Moorthorpe is likely to be more than a single unit.

I was referring to Todmorden curve, I should have made it clearer in the first place.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

For the past few years, many Atherton line services have been formed of four carriages as has Wigan to Alderley Edge and Wigan to Stalybridge. Since the massive 142 withdrawals last month, most are now just a single unit. I eagerly await the 769s.

Not forgetting that most new mills and rose hill trains that were always 4 car are now permanently diagramed as 2 cars since the new timetable

 

[ed1971]

Not forgetting that most new mills and rose hill trains that were always 4 car are now permanently diagramed as 2 cars since the new timetable

I hadn't thought about those.

 

[Colby James]

Question how many more 142’s maybe roumered for preservation asides
142001 and 142029 and 142030 and 142036 and 143603 and 144003 in particular and privately owned 142033

are they’re possibly going to be others.

 

[Southern Dvr]

Not forgetting that most new mills and rose hill trains that were always 4 car are now permanently diagramed as 2 cars since the new timetable

I was in Manchester on Wednesday last week and all the Rose Hill workings I saw were 4 cars (142+150). The 2 New Mills i saw were one Class 156 & one 142+150 combo.

Or are we talking weekend workings?

 

[SteveyBee131]

Question how many more 142’s maybe roumered for preservation asides...

...and privately owned 142033...

are they’re possibly going to be others.

I can't answer your question about if any more will be preserved (though I hope there will be more! )

What I can say is that 142033 is not actually preserved. It has been obtained by South Wales Police for conversion to use for training purposes. From what I know about railway vehicles used by emergency services in the past, there might not be much of it left by the time those training purposes are completed.

So '33 might still exist, but how much work it will need by then might make it a very big project!

 

[IamTrainsYT]

I was in Manchester on Wednesday last week and all the Rose Hill workings I saw were 4 cars (142+150). The 2 New Mills i saw were one Class 156 & one 142+150 combo.

Or are we talking weekend workings?

almost all workings i see now are 2 car

 

[IamTrainsYT]

What I can say is that 142033 is not actually preserved. It has been obtained by South Wales Police for conversion to use for training purposes. From what I know about railway vehicles used by emergency services in the past, there might not be much of it left by the time those training purposes are completed.

they are going to have it for a very long time, its at a police collage

 

[Southern Dvr]

almost all workings i see now are 2 car

on weekends or weekdays?
I saw numerous 2 car 150s on the Alderley Edge workings but on the Sheffield/Marple/Rose Hill they were nearly all 4s.

 

[Killingworth]

on weekends or weekdays?
I saw numerous 2 car 150s on the Alderley Edge workings but on the Sheffield/Marple/Rose Hill they were nearly all 4s.

Sheffield only gets a couple of 4 car trains to deal with out of Manchester rush hour demand and they stay together for the rest of the evening, despite running virtually empty.