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Are 67s still doing Manchester to Holyhead?

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Merle Haggard

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I'm probably not very well informed, but...
Travelling on the set the other day I noticed that there was the 'do not use in stations' sign in the lavatory, presumably meaning that the coaches are still track discharge. Possibly the 1.1.20 obligation has been formally avoided, but I've seen no reference to it.
It's hard to work out from enthusiasts' publications which coaches have CEM, but I thought that the DRS coaches used in Cumbria, for instance, were so fitted and assumed that the TfW ones, also refurbished, had also been modified.
 
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I'm probably not very well informed, but...
Travelling on the set the other day I noticed that there was the 'do not use in stations' sign in the lavatory, presumably meaning that the coaches are still track discharge. Possibly the 1.1.20 obligation has been formally avoided, but I've seen no reference to it.
It's hard to work out from enthusiasts' publications which coaches have CEM, but I thought that the DRS coaches used in Cumbria, for instance, were so fitted and assumed that the TfW ones, also refurbished, had also been modified.
The original plan was for the MkIVs to be in service by now, so TfW wouldn't have planned to get CET tanks fitted to the MkIIIs. It'll probably be covered by the short term PRM dispensation.
 

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I'm probably not very well informed, but...
Travelling on the set the other day I noticed that there was the 'do not use in stations' sign in the lavatory, presumably meaning that the coaches are still track discharge. Possibly the 1.1.20 obligation has been formally avoided, but I've seen no reference to it.
It's hard to work out from enthusiasts' publications which coaches have CEM, but I thought that the DRS coaches used in Cumbria, for instance, were so fitted and assumed that the TfW ones, also refurbished, had also been modified.

These are Mark 3 non-compliant coaches which will be withdrawn from service when ex LNER Mark 4s come into service hopefully in May after some modifications, gauging and crew training are complete. They have been granted dispensation until 30 June
 

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Thanks for the quick replies; I had, obviously wrongly, formed the opinion that the Mk 4 sets were for the Holyhead - Cardiff axis and the Manchesters would stay with the present set. Interesting if they re-introduce 1st class on this route, or keep the FO locked.
By the way, one of the Mk3s (12182 or 5, I think) is showing its age - the filler has fallen out of a few dents showing rust patches.
 

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Thanks for the quick replies; I had, obviously wrongly, formed the opinion that the Mk 4 sets were for the Holyhead - Cardiff axis and the Manchesters would stay with the present set. Interesting if they re-introduce 1st class on this route, or keep the FO locked.
By the way, one of the Mk3s (12182 or 5, I think) is showing its age - the filler has fallen out of a few dents showing rust patches.

The Mark 4s are intended for the Cardiff to Holyheads and the Manchester should go over to DMU (175)
 

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Thanks for the quick replies; I had, obviously wrongly, formed the opinion that the Mk 4 sets were for the Holyhead - Cardiff axis and the Manchesters would stay with the present set.
You were partially correct: the MkIVs are intended for Holyhead-Cardiff in the end, and the Manchester services will revert to DMU operation (with 175s released from the Holyhead-Cardiff route). But with delays to clearing MkIVs for the Marches, the first rake may end up on Manchester services in the short term, as suggested by recent clearance runs.
 

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67001 at Warrington Bank Quay, this week, forming the 1650 Manchester Piccadilly to Llandudno (Wednesday 12 Feb).
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Are TfW just really unlucky? Are they not servicing them properly? Or are the units just that old this is to be expected every couple of days? So unreliable, and that is being polite.
 

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Are TfW just really unlucky? Are they not servicing them properly? Or are the units just that old this is to be expected every couple of days? So unreliable, and that is being polite.

Not sure what the issue is this time and whether it’s a fault on the 67 or the Mk 3 stock, but it does seem like there’s an issue every couple of weeks.
 

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Not sure what the issue is this time and whether it’s a fault on the 67 or the Mk 3 stock, but it does seem like there’s an issue every couple of weeks.
It was running with the coach next to the loco locked out of use yesterday if that has any bearing on things.
 

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It was running with the coach next to the loco locked out of use yesterday if that has any bearing on things.

When/where was that? If it was at Helsby I think they keep that one locked out as the platforms aren’t long enough. I’ve seen the set run with 3 coaches before so assuming it’s more than a fault with one of the coaches.
 

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When/where was that? If it was at Helsby I think they keep that one locked out as the platforms aren’t long enough. I’ve seen the set run with 3 coaches before so assuming it’s more than a fault with one of the coaches.
Between Bangor and Llandudno Llandudno Junction. As I said it was just a suggestion.
 

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Do we know what they plan to do with these (and when)? Do we think they’ll go on the Manchester service first or just go straight on the Marches?

See the below quote from above....if you catch my drift!! :)

you were partially correct: the MkIVs are intended for Holyhead-Cardiff in the end, and the Manchester services will revert to DMU operation (with 175s released from the Holyhead-Cardiff route). But with delays to clearing MkIVs for the Marches, the first rake may end up on Manchester services in the short term, as suggested by recent clearance runs.

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