First Greater Glasgow

[Jordan Adam]

Had SV06 eclipse on the 61 today . Ex Aberdeen?

Yes 69110 SV06GRF and 69122 SV06GRK are Ex-Aberdeen transferred last year to Glasgow. Both however were originally intended to be delivered to Glasgow as SF06GZW and SF06HBD but were diverted and re-registered on delivery prior to entering service..

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Yes 69110 SV06GRF and 69122 SV06GRK are Ex-Aberdeen transferred last year to Glasgow. Both however were originally intended to be delivered to Glasgow as SF06GZW and SF06HBD but were diverted and re-registered on delivery prior to entering service..

It’s funny how time changes and now they are back in Glasgow. Didn’t realise they were at Caledonia I thought they were all going to Dumbarton.

 

[route101]

It’s funny how time changes and now they are back in Glasgow. Didn’t realise they were at Caledonia I thought they were all going to Dumbarton.

Only 2 of them so not easy to spot.

 

[singlemalt]

anyone have any idea what the script is with 34368?

its just sitting there open to the elements with the tarpaulin over the top deck almost blown away i dont hold out much hope for iy

 

[Samuel88]

I’ve just spent a couple of weeks sampling the public transport of Glasgow and I have to say First Glasgow is a shining example of why route Franchising is needed. Confusing route numbers, high fares, filthy buses and infrequent service in the evening, they do not give a good impression to the average tourist /visitor...

 

[Jordan Adam]

I’ve just spent a couple of weeks sampling the public transport of Glasgow and I have to say First Glasgow is a shining example of why route Franchising is needed. Confusing route numbers, high fares, filthy buses and infrequent service in the evening, they do not give a good impression to the average tourist /visitor...

Hate to burst your bubble but franchising isn't going to solve that, and financially would probably make things even worse...

 

[JumpinTrainz]

I’ve just spent a couple of weeks sampling the public transport of Glasgow and I have to say First Glasgow is a shining example of why route Franchising is needed. Confusing route numbers, high fares, filthy buses and infrequent service in the evening, they do not give a good impression to the average tourist /visitor...

I would agree but I wouldn’t say that’s exclusive to FIG. I would say like everything it comes down to finances. Glasgow is a successful operation for First but unfortunately Glasgow isn’t their only operation. They have many across the UK. If First’s only operations were Glasgow I’m sure things would be very different but I just can’t see another operator coming in and making things any better. First has improved a lot I’d say but there’s always improvements to be made. Who knows what the answer is...

 

[Samuel88]

I would agree but I wouldn’t say that’s exclusive to FIG. I would say like everything it comes down to finances. Glasgow is a successful operation for First but unfortunately Glasgow isn’t their only operation. They have many across the UK. If First’s only operations were Glasgow I’m sure things would be very different but I just can’t see another operator coming in and making things any better. First has improved a lot I’d say but there’s always improvements to be made. Who knows what the answer is...

Forcing all the operators in the SPT area to participate in a multi-modal ticket scheme that’s not completely confusing is a start...

 

[Stan Drews]

Forcing all the operators in the SPT area to participate in a multi-modal ticket scheme that’s not completely confusing is a start...

Do you mean like the Zonecard, which I think has been in operation since the 1980s?
Unfortunately SPT seem firmly wedded to the 20th century ‘technology’, despite most bus operators wanting an overhaul to bring it a bit more up to date.
Just like in Greater Manchester (and I suspect other areas) it isn’t the bus operators holding up progress on the potential roll out of improved multi-modal ticketing options.

 

[Samuel88]

Do you mean like the Zonecard, which I think has been in operation since the 1980s?
Unfortunately SPT seem firmly wedded to the 20th century ‘technology’, despite most bus operators wanting an overhaul to bring it a bit more up to date.
Just like in Greater Manchester (and I suspect other areas) it isn’t the bus operators holding up progress on the potential roll out of improved multi-modal ticketing options.

Yes, despite only needing 9 zones, I ended up buying the all zone pass just because it’s impossible to tell where exactly one zone starts and another finishes...

 

[awsnews]

Yes, despite only needing 9 zones, I ended up buying the all zone pass just because it’s impossible to tell where exactly one zone starts and another finishes...

Does the Zonecard map not contain the boundary information any more, pretty sure it used to.

 

[PaulMc7]

Always thought it with Glasgow that our route numbering since Simplicity wasn't actually too bad but getting people to understand the changes was definitely something people struggled with. The only services we have now that go beyond an A variant are the 1s and 38s but I remember at the time people just looked for an area and not specific routes within an area and just hoped for the best. Even now when I use the bus some people still ask me if the bus goes to where they want to go plus certainly in the West end of Glasgow there's a lot of new bus users and faces I've never seen before so I can imagine how hard it is to get used to our buses. Pricing wise I've mentioned before that it can definitely not be worth it especially for couples or families compared to cars and as far as more buses being on at night I don't see that ever really happening because as much as I've seen people say they'd like that I don't think it's enough to make a good profit. A few services with their last operation after midnight out of the city centre is as good as it'll get here

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Pricing wise I've mentioned before that it can definitely not be worth it especially for couples or families compared to cars

A family can travel for £8.50 - that's very good value.

 

[route101]

Do you mean like the Zonecard, which I think has been in operation since the 1980s?
Unfortunately SPT seem firmly wedded to the 20th century ‘technology’, despite most bus operators wanting an overhaul to bring it a bit more up to date.
Just like in Greater Manchester (and I suspect other areas) it isn’t the bus operators holding up progress on the potential roll out of improved multi-modal ticketing options.

The Zonecard is a very outdated ticket. Do many people still use them?

Daytripper is marketed for families , should be marketed as a day ticket on ticket stock. And why are McGills outwith the daytripper?

 

[route101]

Yes, despite only needing 9 zones, I ended up buying the all zone pass just because it’s impossible to tell where exactly one zone starts and another finishes...

Some of the zones out in the rural areas , theres no buses or even roads!

What was the need for a all zone zonecard?

 

[PaulMc7]

A family can travel for £8.50 - that's very good value.

Compare that to a car journey of the same length and it's really not. Within the city zone for First here the furthest points away from each other probably aren't far enough to cost that much in terms of fuel. Car would probably around half of that in terms of cost and time to make the journey. Even compared to train if it was just into the city centre etc it would probably be cheaper than the bus.

It's not even a deal many people use either tbh. If it was even say £5/6 for that ticket at the weekend then it would probably tempt more families into using the bus but it's not value to them compared to car at all in pretty much every case.

 

[lastbus]

Compare that to a car journey of the same length and it's really not. Within the city zone for First here the furthest points away from each other probably aren't far enough to cost that much in terms of fuel. Car would probably around half of that in terms of cost and time to make the journey. Even compared to train if it was just into the city centre etc it would probably be cheaper than the bus.

It's not even a deal many people use either tbh. If it was even say £5/6 for that ticket at the weekend then it would probably tempt more families into using the bus but it's not value to them compared to car at all in pretty much every case.

You are very unrealistic when it comes to bus fares. The family tickets especially the network one are good value.

 

[PaulMc7]

You are very unrealistic when it comes to bus fares. The family tickets especially the network one are good value.

If your only option is the bus it's good value but if you have a decent train service or a car it's a no brainer to use another option

 

[Samuel88]

Maybe it’s just me but I find bus fares in general in Scotland (with the exception of Edinburgh) to be high compared with the rest of the UK...

 

[Smithy4321]

Maybe it’s just me but I find bus fares in general in Scotland (with the exception of Edinburgh) to be high compared with the rest of the UK...

I am not sure this statement is true, the recent increases by Lothian have put weekly ticket prices to £20 for adults, £17 for students and £10 for children for example, all significantly more than First Glasgow's main City Zone.

 

[ScotRail158725]

Maybe it’s just me but I find bus fares in general in Scotland (with the exception of Edinburgh) to be high compared with the rest of the UK...

edinburghs bus fares went up last week and its extortionate for a dayticket now

 

[Zakforbes4]

Glasgow fare isn’t as bad as first Scotland east that’s awful

 

[Jordan Adam]

Glasgow fare isn’t as bad as first Scotland east that’s awful

Probably due to the fact that FSE cover a larger geographical area with higher operating costs and less revenue per mile.

 

[route101]

Glasgow fare isn’t as bad as first Scotland east that’s awful

FSE its hard working out what zones you need.

 

[route101]

The City fares arent too bad but the Town to Hamilton etc fares are expensive.

 

[route101]

LT02NWC still out , had her on the 31.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

I do hope they restart the refurbishment programme. It would be nice to see the remainder of the B9TLs done and the low height E400s which would look brand new with a refurb.

 

[route101]

I do hope they restart the refurbishment programme. It would be nice to see the remainder of the B9TLs done and the low height E400s which would look brand new with a refurb.

Some of the B9TLs have blue branding but no 61 branding .Theres something up with allocations , seen a 61 branded on 7a .

 

[Zakforbes4]

The 60/60A probs should get it along with the 6/6A and maybe 5/31

 

[JumpinTrainz]

The 60/60A probs should get it along with the 6/6A and maybe 5/31

They should probably brand a mixture of E300s and E400s for the 6. The 5 could be doing with branding.

As for the 60/60A I think refurbed B9TLs similar to those on the 61 would be good. The 60 has too mixed a fleet. It can get anything from brand spanking new to old tat. The B9TLs are getting on a bit however the oldest are about 13 this year. They look good refurbed but it won’t be too far away before they need a replacement on the 61. I always thought the 61 was busy and deserved new buses.