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A week tomorrow on Sunday 23rd February I am travelling from London to Leicester.

I want to buy my usual off peak return. St Pancras to Leicester.

BUT.... there's a bus replacement service for the journey from London St Pancras to Leicester, which I don't like using. I would prefer to go Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester.

Question. IF I go to Euston Station next Sunday 23rd and buy a return ticket from St Pancras (will they sell me a ticket from St Pancras??) to Leicester off peak return would I be allowed to use that ticket on the Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester route?

For information when I use the return portion of the ticket I shall be going from Leicester to St Pancras direct.

Many thanks for any help.
 
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What price is your usual off-peak return?
 

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A week tomorrow on Sunday 23rd February I am travelling from London to Leicester.

I want to buy my usual off peak return. St Pancras to Leicester.

BUT.... there's a bus replacement service for the journey from London St Pancras to Leicester, which I don't like using. I would prefer to go Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester.

Question. IF I go to Euston Station next Sunday 23rd and buy a return ticket from St Pancras (will they sell me a ticket from St Pancras??) to Leicester off peak return would I be allowed to use that ticket on the Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester route?

For information when I use the return portion of the ticket I shall be going from Leicester to St Pancras direct.

Many thanks for any help.

The National Rail journey planner confirms that the usual Super Off Peak ticket from London Terminals to Leicester (£43.55 with your railcard) is valid to do Euston - Nuneaton - Leicester next Sunday.

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servi...&isOutboundJourneySelected=true&dataSource=jp
 

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The National Rail journey planner confirms that the usual Super Off Peak ticket from London Terminals to Leicester (£43.55 with your railcard) is valid to do Euston - Nuneaton - Leicester next Sunday.

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servi...&isOutboundJourneySelected=true&dataSource=jp
Indeed it does, although it's a little confusing that when you click for details of the ticket it says only valid to/from St Pancras. However, if you then examine routes it gives both Euston and St Pancras.
 

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The ticket will be issued from ‘London Terminals’ rather than ‘London St Pancras’.
 

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Valid, but...

it’s probably a good idea to get an itinerary when booking and/or seat reservations.

Euston’s gateline are finicky at the best of times, and argumentative at worst.
 

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You asked this before.

I don't think we can really say anything that hasn't already been said. It is valid.

My advice is to buy online with the itinerary you want; stick to the trains in your itinerary, which is evidence of a contract.

Buy from a retailer you trust to help out if things go wrong. If anyone questions the route, show them your booking confirmation.
 

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I know nothing about this specific route, but it you have a ticket from London Terminals to just about anywhere within reason, and Euston is a London terminal, surely you have a valid ticket and staff should not object at the gateline - you would then be on your own.
 

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I know nothing about this specific route, but it you have a ticket from London Terminals to just about anywhere within reason, and Euston is a London terminal, surely you have a valid ticket and staff should not object at the gateline - you would then be on your own.

What should happen and what does happen are not always one and the same. It is salient advice to travel with an itinerary to reduce the chances of being blocked from travelling by the gateline in this instance.
 

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I would echo the advice about getting an itinerary. Furthermore, if it is Avalti West Coast staff who you expect problems from (Euston Gateline) then book the ticket on the Avanti website too. However, if your journey out of Euston is with LNW/WMT it may be that you'll be able to get onto the train without having your ticket checked before boarding.
 

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Just to explain why this is valid, it's Permitted because it's within 3 miles of shortest route (from Euston) according to the electronic data.

Mileage 115.60 (Shortest possible 112.69)
 

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That is, I think, why it doesn't give you any options for trains which go via Northampton. Luckily, there are a few trains to Nuneaton which go the other way.
 

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That is, I think, why it doesn't give you any options for trains which go via Northampton. Luckily, there are a few trains to Nuneaton which go the other way.

This is not right. The Euston-Nuneaton service generally does not travel via Northampton.
 

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This is not right. The Euston-Nuneaton service generally does not travel via Northampton.
Sorry, but I'm not exactly sure what you are disagreeing with here. There are a few LNR trains on a Sunday which are scheduled to call at Nuneaton and Northampton, and Avanti trains which should go that way without stopping at Northampton.

NRE does not give say that a through ticket is valid using any of these trains (as you should be able to see here*). I don't know if there's another web site which says it would be valid. If not, I would suggest that someone with a London-Leicester return ticket should either avoid those trains or ask permission before boarding one of them.

* You may need to delete any nationalrail.co.uk cookies you have for this link to open correctly.
 
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Thanks everyone and very sorry for such a late response. I've had a problem with replying.

Anyway. Using my senior railcard my usual return cost is $43-55p for off peak with a senior railcard.

IF I want to buy a ticket via Nuneaton rather than the usual line St P to L then it is more money. So, Yorkie mentioned buying it with the itinary I want but if I do that it costs more money. Plus I then have the problem that the return portion of the ticket (which will be from Leicester to Euston via Nuneaton) wont let me go direct from L to St P.

So, I am confused. Can I use my ordinary St P to L ticket on the route Euston Nuneaton Leicester on Sunday due to there being a replacement bus service on the St P to L route?

I would intend to catch the Avanti 10:16 this Sunday 23rd from Euston to Nuneaton then Xcountry to Leicester.

Many thanks
 
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If you put EUS to LEI with senior railcard into NRE for Sunday after 1000 and return later the same day you get the 1016 departure offered as the first choice at £43.55.
 

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Aha. Just had a long chat with EMR online. I was told that I can use my London St P to Leicester ticket on the Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester on either Saturday or Sunday provided that I do NOT use Avanti. The reason given was:
"....It appears that Avanti do not offer super-off peak on this route, this is why it will not appear under out tickets.

It is because of the pricing structure on their tickets."

The 10:16 is an Avanti train and EMR said my ticket would not be valid on that? My intention is to use the return portion direct from Leicester to London St P around the second week of March.
 

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Aha. Just had a long chat with EMR online. I was told that I can use my London St P to Leicester ticket on the Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester on either Saturday or Sunday provided that I do NOT use Avanti. The reason given was:
"....It appears that Avanti do not offer super-off peak on this route, this is why it will not appear under out tickets.

It is because of the pricing structure on their tickets."

The 10:16 is an Avanti train and EMR said my ticket would not be valid on that?
I disagree. NRE will happily give you an itinerary using the 1016 departure from Euston on Sunday.
 

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Many thanks for taking time to help.............But that's an Avanti train not a NRE train.

I should add that there's a small chance that I will make the journey from London to Leicester on Saturday rather than Sunday but the EMR guy said I could still do the Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester route provided I didn't use Avanti.
 

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Many thanks for taking time to help.............But that's an Avanti train not a NRE train.

I should add that there's a small chance that I will make the journey from London to Leicester on Saturday rather than Sunday but the EMR guy said I could still do the Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester route provided I didn't use Avanti.
NRE = National Rail Enquiries, the definitive source of information about the railways.
 

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Aha. Just had a long chat with EMR online. I was told that I can use my London St P to Leicester ticket on the Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester on either Saturday or Sunday provided that I do NOT use Avanti. The reason given was:
"....It appears that Avanti do not offer super-off peak on this route, this is why it will not appear under out tickets.

It is because of the pricing structure on their tickets."

The 10:16 is an Avanti train and EMR said my ticket would not be valid on that? My intention is to use the return portion direct from Leicester to London St P around the second week of March.
What a load of tripe from your online contact!

Your ticket is routed "any permitted" and so is valid on any permitted route with any train operator. We have already established in this thread that you are proposing to use a permitted route. End of discussion. Why do people make up nonsense like this when the truthful answer would be "I don't know"?
 

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Sorry I confused NRE with LNW!!! :))

In conclusion. Are you suggesting that I can

1 Buy a St P to Leicester return super off peak return ticket (which is the usual EMR line and price) for £43-55
2 Travel on Saturday or Sunday at any time on any train from Euston to Nuneaton to Leicester
3 Return from Leicester to London St P direct using EMR at an off peak time within a couple of weeks
4 Are there two different types of ticket. London (any) to Leicester. And... London (St Pancras intl) to Leicester. And if so then do I need to be careful when I buy it from the Euston ticket office.

Thanks again
 

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Thanks jfollows. He went off to check and came back with that information.??

I just went onto the Avanti site. If I enter a London (ANY) to Leicester return for Sunday at 10 it gives me the usual price and sends me up to Leicester on the 10:16 via nuneaton. But gives me a return direct from Leicester to St P (if I enter a date and time = presumably this would be ok on an open return as the ticket is an open return within a month)
 
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Why do people make up nonsense like this when the truthful answer would be "I don't know"?

Because a certain type of person can never say they don't know. Why such people are employed in roles which involve dealing with enquiries is another question.
 

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Thanks everyone. I am so grateful for all of your help. The information I received is invaluable. I worry about these things and would hate to fall foul of the law. Which is why I wanted to get things right. It's unbelievably complicated for me.

Thank you again everyone!!
 
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