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Not sure if they are multi-coloured LEDs or single-colour ones mixed together but the same lens can certainly display different colours. This makes it more difficult to understand the signaling by looking at it, as a fixed red, R/G, R/Y and R/Y/G will all look the same. A fixed yellow or Y/G will look the same as each other but will have the triangle plate mentioned above.
I think they're single colour LEDs mixed in a matrix. Simplifies the circuitry and failure modes. I recall manufacturers had difficulty matching the standard light colours and, at least at the beginning, a mixture of fixed colour chips were used to produce the exact yellow and green colours required. There were also problems with temperature stability of the yellow in particular and early Dorman models had a clever system to vent power supply warmth across the array to keep it at a constant temperature. I made one of the earliest prototype LED boards for a railway signalling application in the early 1980s while a trainee in the Western Region technical investigations lab at Reading. It was a red level crossing boom lamp, possibly one of the worst environments imaginable for filament lamps with the frequent hard shocks of rising and falling. I remember it shining out of the office window on long term test for ages after I'd moved on to other things.
 
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I think they're single colour LEDs mixed in a matrix. Simplifies the circuitry and failure modes. I recall manufacturers had difficulty matching the standard light colours and, at least at the beginning, a mixture of fixed colour chips were used to produce the exact yellow and green colours required.

You have only to look at the variability of road traffic lights to see what a problem this is, particularly in matching the greens where there is a mix of LED and incandescent sources. I have always thought that the rail industry spec for their green was much tighter, and also had a lot more blue in it. (Local corner shop has colour changing floodlights on the fascia which make discerning the traffic light aspect difficult, seems there is no legislation to cover this either...)
 

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Its funny how things have gone full circle. LNER where the 1st company to introduce single head searchlight signals back in the 1930's which were of course mechanical moving coloured lens with the introduction later on of the 2nd lamp able to show the 2nd yellow aspect. I believe they were pretty much taken out of use by the end of BR era but a few may survive on the Eastern region although most likely converted to LED by now.
 

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These ones at Clacton were still there in 2012:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/driff_tiger/7618257004

There are a number of searchlights left at Clacton station and on the approaches all of which should have gone with the rest of the ones in the area a few years back but they still remain in operation today being the last in the area. The only others on Network Rail I am aware of are at Nottingham.
The Nottingham ones mentioned were non-standard in the 1960s Trent re-signaling, probably because of sighting issues where the upper aspects of a multi-lens signal would have been hidden behind the footbridge. They were replaced by LEDs during the 2013 re-modelling.
 

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Interesting route display when 5F70 passed 939 on it's way to Letchworth - both paths from the points are green.2020-02-26.png
 

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These ones at Clacton were still there in 2012:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/driff_tiger/7618257004


The Nottingham ones mentioned were non-standard in the 1960s Trent re-signaling, probably because of sighting issues where the upper aspects of a multi-lens signal would have been hidden behind the footbridge. They were replaced by LEDs during the 2013 re-modelling.
Searchlights were also provided new under BR at Birmingham New Street during the 1960s rebuild, again primarily for sighting reasons. Their mechanisms were concealed within specially-designed housings in that case I believe. Many were replaced subsequently over the years by conventional 3-aspect heads turned on their sides to fit in the confined spaces available.
https://www.roscalen.com/signals/BirminghamNS/index.htm
 

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You have only to look at the variability of road traffic lights to see what a problem this is, particularly in matching the greens where there is a mix of LED and incandescent sources. I have always thought that the rail industry spec for their green was much tighter, and also had a lot more blue in it. (Local corner shop has colour changing floodlights on the fascia which make discerning the traffic light aspect difficult, seems there is no legislation to cover this either...)
The colour requirements are very stringent on the railway and were difficult in the beginning for LED manufacturers to match. The old 'spectacle' filters for lighting associated with semaphore arms were very blue indeed and worked with the yellowish colour produced by oil lamps and early low wattage electric lamps to produce the bluish-green that survives as the modern signal green.
 

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Searchlights were also provided new under BR at Birmingham New Street during the 1960s rebuild, again primarily for sighting reasons. Their mechanisms were concealed within specially-designed housings in that case I believe. Many were replaced subsequently over the years by conventional 3-aspect heads turned on their sides to fit in the confined spaces available.
https://www.roscalen.com/signals/BirminghamNS/index.htm

There was a campaign replacement of the New St searchlights in the late 90s. One of my very best friends ran the project. I don’t know what happened to the old kit, but bet it’s worth s a fortune.
 

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It's been a busy weekend so far, but still managed to pop down to site to get some video of the OHL workings going on

 

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Presumably a bit of signalling cabling was done as the route from 939 to P5 is nolonger permanently green + there's a T3 there.
 

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What's a T3?

T3 is a possession code - As far as I know, after the work at the weekend the status was shown as "TESTING" yesterday on OTT. It would seem that signalling and circuiting is complete and the OHL has been isolated whilst the now "active" line is set to a normal possession status. - I could be wrong, and one of my contacts who works on the signalling side of things was ill at the weekend so has no info for me to confirm this.
 

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Thanks malc - yes I noticed it was TESTING yesterday but it's been T3 all day today.
 

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Today there is something beside 935 marked as I64-
Anyone know what that means?
 

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Thanks - but that doesn't mean much to me - can you give me an example of that?
I assume this is just a software 'flag' which 'blocks' the line with this reference in the Weely Operating Notice you refer to?
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Thanks - but that doesn't mean much to me - can you give me an example of that?
I assume this is just a software 'flag' which 'blocks' the line with this reference in the Weely Operating Notice you refer to?
Thanks

The weekly operating notice, WON, is a document issue due every week which lists all operational matters for drivers, signallers, and other operating staff for a given section of line that week. It starts at 0001 Saturday.

One section of the WON deals with engineering arrangements, known as possessions (of the line). Each one is noted, with the area of work, lines affected, time the line is planned to be blocked, a brief description of the work taking place, and the organisation doingthe work. They are listed sequentially by start time on a given stretch of line, with each given an item number. The ECML from Kings Cross to (just past) Doncaster is the first in the book for that area, and therefore Item 64 will be the 64th planned possession of the line between King’s Cross and Shaftholme Jn since 0001 Saturday this week.

The signaller has chosen to identify the possession with the “I 64” notifier. This time isn’t mandatory, but is sometimes helpful.
 

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It looks to be coming along so far.

So when do we think the class 717 testings shall start?
 

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First 717 test is booked for 11 March.
Found this....https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/X52352/2020-03-11/detailed

Empty coaching stock from Hornsey to Stevenage - scheduled for 11-3-2020 only....
Huh, thanks,
it seems by looking further and national rail enq website telling me that services to platform 5 start on the 17th May.

RTT backs this up even stating platform 5 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W61852/2020-05-18/detailed (this being the first public service to the platform, there are earlier services from the platform.
 

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I suspect a number of members here will be heading there en masse to tick off the track mileage ;)

Myself at some point being one too!
 

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