Enforcement of the new rules on social distancing, unnecessary journeys etc.

[sheff1]

And surprise, surprise she’s just had her conviction quashed:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...wn-travel-newcastle-marie-dinou-a9444186.html

A poster on here, who seems in the know stated it was a ticketing offence:

It was a ticket offence, press jumped on the Covid-19 angle and most didn't even mention the ticketing offence.
and as you say failed the attitude test, i.e. refusing to disperse or to take a Covid-19 £60 FPN , which you can but you'll end up in court, which happened.

It now appears the press jumped on the Covid-19 angle because that is what the police had, incorrectly, announced.
Rather like the Blue Lagoon incident where the dying, which first started years ago, was suddenly announced by the Derbyshire Police as coronavirus-related as if it were a new thing.

As well as the police action in the Newcastle case, it is rather worrying that the Tyneside Magistrates' Court convicted her for an offence when the charge was incorrect. Fortuntely the publicity surrounding the case, seemingly instigated by the BTP, alerted people who do understand the law and could do something about it.

 

[sheff1]

That is surprising to me. The police admitting that they acted wrongly that is.

I don't think they had much choice.

In view of the unprecedented nature of the coronavirus-related legislation, I except police 'enforcement' of it will come under closer scrutiny than normal.

 

[Bantamzen]

I'll probably regret putting this up, however....

Google are now publishing data on some data on the movements of it's users (subject to them allowing their devices to track them) by country / region:

https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/

Fill yer boots ladies & gentlemen...

Edit: Note to mods, no quotes provided as this is live data which is updated daily. Hope this is OK?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Even main roads are so quiet now that I do not agree that is unduly hazardous to walk or run a short distance along one to reach a footpath or minor road. Clearly it is prudent to wear high visibility clothing, face the oncoming traffic and carry a torch during the hours of darkness.

The effect of this has sadly been people driving like idiots, so I don't agree, I'm afraid. If anything it's worse than usual.

 

[ainsworth74]

It now appears the press jumped on the Covid-19 angle because that is what the police had, incorrectly, announced.
Rather like the Blue Lagoon incident where the dying, which first started years ago, was suddenly announced by the Derbyshire Police as coronavirus-related as if it were a new thing.

Yes it feels as if the Police are publicising their usage of the new legislation, in dubious cases, even though there's often an underlying crime which they could prosecute just as successfully. Which, when they do get it wrong, brings down all sorts of negative PR and fuels distrust.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yes it feels as if the Police are publicising their usage of the new legislation, in dubious cases, even though there's often an underlying crime which they could prosecute just as successfully. Which, when they do get it wrong, brings down all sorts of negative PR and fuels distrust.

Very true. It rather sounds more like an MG11 is what should have been written up in this case.

 

[Tetchytyke]

A poster on here, who seems in the know stated it was a ticketing offence:

Sort of. There was a ticketing offence included as well, but she was convicted and fined under Covid-19 legislation.

Never mind the police, in fairness they are not lawyers. I want to know what the hell the CPS lawyer and the Magistrates' legal adviser were doing in all of this. Playing Angry Birds?

Very true. It rather sounds more like an MG11 is what should have been written up in this case.

But you don't get to wave your willy in self-congratulatory press releases if you go down the ticketing route. You also don't get to push for an unlimited fine.

 

[island]

Never mind the police, in fairness they are not lawyers. I want to know what the hell the CPS lawyer and the Magistrates' legal adviser were doing in all of this. Playing Angry Birds?

The CPS won’t have been involved. Police prosecute summary cases themselves normally.

 

[341o2]

If police forces are acting outside their remit, then don't pay any penalties and explain to the court why you were within your rights.

Michael Gove has stated on question time BBC1 yesterday, literally at the end of the programme that driving a short distance to exersise IS allowed, he was more concerned with social distancing

 

[Tetchytyke]

The CPS won’t have been involved. Police prosecute summary cases themselves normally.

Then I take back being fair to the police!

I get why beat bobbies might overstep it, faced with a belligerent woman in a train station. But for nobody after that to bother themselves to actually read the law is alarming (though unsurprising).

 

[vicki brown]

There is no "one hour" exercise rule.

Exactly! The idea that there is a 1 hr restriction came from what Michael Gove said at one of the press conferences. He said he thought a one her walk or a half run would be reasonable, so it is simply his personal opinion.

 

[111-111-1]

It strikes me that too many are

Exactly! The idea that there is a 1 hr restriction came from what Michael Gove said at one of the press conferences. He said he thought a one her walk or a half run would be reasonable, so it is simply his personal opinion.

Michael Gove seems to regularly give his opinion, or in the case of last week what he does, rather than give it out as official advice.

Last weekend it was that he had been out food shopping then later gone out for a run.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Last weekend it was that he had been out food shopping then later gone out for a run.

Which is perfectly allowed. You can combine the reasons (e.g. run to the supermarket) but you don't have to. There are actually solid reasons not to - if you run to the supermarket you're going to be heavy breathing and sweating around it, which may accentuate spread. If you have a car, therefore, you are probably better off doing the two activities separately.

 

[vicki brown]

I don't mind them asking but they need to accept appropriate/plausible answers and cannot demand ID.

Normally I would get:

• 60 minutes of cycling per week (minimum - if I only go to work or the station each weekday)
• 100 to 180 minutes of vigorous intensity, playing football, per week (depending on how often I play football)
• 60 to 180 minutes of light activity involving football but not playing it competitively; ie. I will be walking or jogging around the pitch and not running at high intensity as it's not competitive for me.
  
• A reasonable amount of walking in the course of a normal working day as some of the jobs I do involve a fair amount of walking
• In addition to this I occasionally go for longer walks or cycle rides, sometimes with forum members

I am therefore going to do a suitable amount of exercise, as I see fit, to replace that. The fact that some people don't want me to do this will make me want to do it even more; I know you like saying "I am not going to change my mind" but guess what? I am not going to change my mind The fact I know you won't change your mind isn't my loss; it's yours!

I know I am right to do it and many people I know agree with me.

The idea that the figures you provide above are enough to remain what I would consider suitably active healthy are not figures I accept. They will be the bare minimum and not something to aspire to!

Totally agree! The NHS exercise targets are purely the minimum for health anyway, certainly not for fitness particularly if you are used to doing more and want to maintain the fitness you have worked hard to attain.

 

[111-111-1]

Which is perfectly allowed. You can combine the reasons (e.g. run to the supermarket) but you don't have to. There are actually solid reasons not to - if you run to the supermarket you're going to be heavy breathing and sweating around it, which may accentuate spread. If you have a car, therefore, you are probably better off doing the two activities separately.

I did not say it was not permissible, just an example of what he said. However your part quoting does not reflect the hole point that I was making.

 

[LowLevel]

Squads of BTP blockading Skegness bound trains at Nottingham, Grantham and Skegness itself refusing entry to non essential travellers. Apparently a spike in sales of tickets in advance for this weekend has been noted. Multiple individuals already dumped back on the train to where they came from apparently.

 

[trainophile]

Have to feel sorry for those who live in a grim suburb somewhere and just have to suck it up. Someone on the radio this morning saying they live alone in a studio flat and have already been in there for weeks.

Let's count our blessings, I'm sure most of us on here can find some.

 

[Meerkat]

Have to feel sorry for those who live in a grim suburb somewhere and just have to suck it up. Someone on the radio this morning saying they live alone in a studio flat and have already been in there for weeks.

Let's count our blessings, I'm sure most of us on here can find some.

They just aren’t going to stay in that flat once the daytime temperatures hit 30 in there.......lockdown or not.

 

[Ianno87]

Squads of BTP blockading Skegness bound trains at Nottingham, Grantham and Skegness itself refusing entry to non essential travellers. Apparently a spike in sales of tickets in advance for this weekend has been noted. Multiple individuals already dumped back on the train to where they came from apparently.

If true, good.

 

[Howardh]

They just aren’t going to stay in that flat once the daytime temperatures hit 30 in there.......lockdown or not.

The next shortages will be cooling fans no doubt. We have had such a horrid winter - wind and rain if no snow - that we are due a decent spring, so if temperatures soar and people are housebound then that's a recipe for unrest.

 

[Mag_seven]

Multiple individuals already dumped back on the train to where they came from apparently.

I wonder what part of "stay at home" they don't understand.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Have to feel sorry for those who live in a grim suburb somewhere and just have to suck it up. Someone on the radio this morning saying they live alone in a studio flat and have already been in there for weeks.

Then they should go for a daily local walk, not go to Skeggy to get ratted in a grim Wetherspoons.

 

[Bantamzen]

The next shortages will be cooling fans no doubt. We have had such a horrid winter - wind and rain if no snow - that we are due a decent spring, so if temperatures soar and people are housebound then that's a recipe for unrest.

Luckily at Bantamzen Towers we panic bought a fan even before panic buying was a thing...

Seriously though, you are right. People aren't going to sit quietly in their homes if the weather picks up after such a crappy winter.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Seriously though, you are right. People aren't going to sit quietly in their homes if the weather picks up after such a crappy winter.

What they need to do, then, is to take full advantage of their daily walk, run or bike ride. The Government is ENCOURAGING people to do this, not merely tolerating it. Sure, Bradford is a bit grim at times, but the countryside round by you is beautiful, certainly a lot more so than the run I just took around what is basically a 1960s Council housing estate then back along the main road. (There are nicer places to run around here, MK is a lot nicer than people think it is, but I'm trying to avoid the honeypots).

And yes, I've been for a run around Bradford - from one of the stations back to the Ibis at Saltaire in fact - it was on my list of cities I did last year and the year before! I don't have much time for fair chunks of the city itself (though it has some impressive buildings) but it was one of the more enjoyable ones.

 

[Ianno87]

What they need to do, then, is to take full advantage of their daily walk, run or bike ride. The Government is ENCOURAGING people to do this, not merely tolerating it. Sure, Bradford is a bit grim at times, but the countryside round by you is beautiful, certainly a lot more so than the run I just took around what is basically a 1960s Council housing estate then back along the main road. (There are nicer places to run around here, MK is a lot nicer than people think it is, but I'm trying to avoid the honeypots).

And yes, I've been for a run around Bradford - from one of the stations back to the Ibis at Saltaire in fact - it was on my list of cities I did last year and the year before! I don't have much time for fair chunks of the city itself (though it has some impressive buildings) but it was one of the more enjoyable ones.

What do you reckon that, up to this point, certain people simply have no concept of *walking* somewhere from their own front door? Simply slaves to the car for everything...

 

[Bletchleyite]

What do you reckon that, up to this point, certain people simply have no concept of *walking* somewhere from their own front door? Simply slaves to the car for everything...

In MK it wouldn't surprise me. Time to learn, then, maybe it'll be something they can then do going forward instead of driving 500 yards to get the Daily Wail (other racist right wing "newspapers" are available).

 

[yorksrob]

What they need to do, then, is to take full advantage of their daily walk, run or bike ride.

This is true, it really does make the difference. Even when I just walk up past the town centre and back.

 

[Bantamzen]

What they need to do, then, is to take full advantage of their daily walk, run or bike ride. The Government is ENCOURAGING people to do this, not merely tolerating it. Sure, Bradford is a bit grim at times, but the countryside round by you is beautiful, certainly a lot more so than the run I just took around what is basically a 1960s Council housing estate then back along the main road. (There are nicer places to run around here, MK is a lot nicer than people think it is, but I'm trying to avoid the honeypots).

And yes, I've been for a run around Bradford - from one of the stations back to the Ibis at Saltaire in fact - it was on my list of cities I did last year and the year before! I don't have much time for fair chunks of the city itself (though it has some impressive buildings) but it was one of the more enjoyable ones.

The one thing I am really grateful of at the moment is that that I can literally be alongside the river Aire & Leeds Liverpool canal in 5 minutes, and on the moors in less than 10 (and I can walk to Saltaire along the canal in about 40 minutes). Its one reason we live where we do. Bradford may have a bad rep sometimes, but as you say it nestles in some beautiful countryside. My main regret aside from being able to socialise is that we can't get the most magnificent onion bhajis and samosas from a little stall in Bradford's John Street Market. I miss those bad boys, proper home made Mamma G style, and having been brought up in a multi-cultural area I've had plenty of proper home made Asian cuisine so I consider myself something of a connoisseur...

 

[Ianno87]

In MK it wouldn't surprise me. Time to learn, then, maybe it'll be something they can then do going forward instead of driving 500 yards to get the Daily Wail (other racist right wing "newspapers" are available).

Not that I monitor them 24/7 or anything but I'm sure I've never seen our next door neighbours leave their house by anything other than car. In spite of having a Supermarket and convenience store in easy walking distance, together with green space.

 

[Bantamzen]

Not that I monitor them 24/7 or anything but I'm sure I've never seen our next door neighbours leave their house by anything other than car. In spite of having a Supermarket and convenience store in easy walking distance, together with green space.

Many years ago as a kid I remember a family that lived on our street used to drive to the local corner shop which was little more than 500 yards away. So this does not surprise me in the least.