DfT advise TOCs that full timetable is to be restored on 6 July

[Domh245]

EMR's generous contribution to the 'full timetable' request appears to be a whole of five extra services across their entire network!
Time to turn off the funding tap, the government is simply throwing good money after bad.

To be fair, it seems like EMR have been running a more or less full service of late anyway that I can tell, with the exception of the Corby services.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

To be fair, it seems like EMR have been running a more or less full service of late anyway that I can tell, with the exception of the Corby services.

Lots of gaps on the 'provincial' routes. Crewe to Derby 2/3 service, carrying on as such until further notice.

 

[Jamesrob637]

To be fair, it seems like EMR have been running a more or less full service of late anyway that I can tell, with the exception of the Corby services.

Doesn't look like Liverpool to Norwich has been hourly, but it's been more than two-hourly. Closer to one train every 90 minutes.

 

[Glenn1969]

Northern RTT at Halifax is showing the current timetable until early September and Grand Central website says suspension extended until July 11

 

[northernchris]

Northern RTT at Halifax is showing the current timetable until early September and Grand Central website says suspension extended until July 11

I suppose this makes sense, as by early September if things continue in the same downward trend more staff should be available and it will coincide with schools returning when extra capacity will be required

 

[Jamiescott1]

Chiltern are introducing an amended timetable from 6th july, still not a full timetable. From my perspective the new timetable is worse than both the current and normal timetables as less non stoppers to marylebone from my station (high wycombe)

 

[DannyMich2018]

I wonder if Birmingham to Leicester will revert to twice hourly with the Birmingham to stansted been reinststed? It's currently hourly Birmingham to Leicester extended to Cambridge every two hours. Loading have increased (well over 20 people on many services) with many services either a 3 car or a pair of two's with virtually no single 2 cars.

 

[Bishopstone]

No sign of Gatwick Express returning, though a half-hourly Brighton-Victoria service is maintained by Southern, I believe operated with GatEx stock, calling at Haywards Heath and East Croydon, in addition to the airport.

With much of Gatwick’s flight schedule removed, part of me doubts we’ll see GatEx again before the airport station re-modelling is completed in 2022-ish. The extra calls on the Southern services almost certainly benefit more passengers than are disadvantaged by any nominal increase in journey time.

 

[Bletchleyite]

No sign of Gatwick Express returning, though a half-hourly Brighton-Victoria service is maintained by Southern, I believe operated with GatEx stock, calling at Haywards Heath and East Croydon, in addition to the airport.

With much of Gatwick’s flight schedule removed, part of me doubts we’ll see GatEx again before the airport station re-modelling is completed in 2022-ish. The extra calls on the Southern services almost certainly benefit more passengers than are disadvantaged by any nominal increase in journey time.

Also gets rid of (most of) the fares stupidity.

 

[Jamesrob637]

I wonder if Birmingham to Leicester will revert to twice hourly with the Birmingham to stansted been reinststed? It's currently hourly Birmingham to Leicester extended to Cambridge every two hours. Loading have increased (well over 20 people on many services) with many services either a 3 car or a pair of two's with virtually no single 2 cars.

Probably because of the same reason XC are currently able to run double Vomiters on the major routes - half of the services not running = many units free. A lot of Midlands services are only 2-car under the normal timetable. Conversely, double Vomiters are rare now that half of them went to West Coast, and rely on more HSTs being out.

 

[LowLevel]

To be fair, it seems like EMR have been running a more or less full service of late anyway that I can tell, with the exception of the Corby services.

Derby to Crewe has been the main loser pretty much but the reason there are still gaps is that off peak most services except Liverpool are planned for a 2 car train. This is insufficient capacity for many services so by doing things like stripping out the Mansfield Woodhouse short workings and quieter Newark stopping trains it provides extra units to strengthen the busier services like Nottingham to Worksop and Skegness.

There is no slack in the fleet to allow anything else to be done.

 

[BJames]

Also gets rid of (most of) the fares stupidity.

Exactly. Can we just not have GatEx come back, Southern and Thameslink operate a perfectly good service to the airport.


Elsewhere, hopefully London Overground West Anglia will restoring usual service on the weekend and not just an hourly service from my station.

 

[bussnapperwm]

Advertise as operating to T2,3 only, and Run to T4 empty.

Or just pass through the T4 loop without stopping?

 

[Bald Rick]

Or just pass through the T4 loop without stopping?

We’re talking heavy rail services from Paddington, not the Piccadilly.

 

[swissrailpassion]

The Hull Scarborough service is around 25% even after 6 July. Last train from Hull 1918. It's nuts.

 

[YorksDMU]

The Hull Scarborough service is around 25% even after 6 July. Last train from Hull 1918. It's nuts.

I live in Beverley, and I agree that we need a much better service than one train every two hours. It’s just not on.

 

[CaptainHaddock]

I live in Beverley, and I agree that we need a much better service than one train every two hours. It’s just not on.

Looks like you're out of luck. The new Northern timetable starting 6 July for your route is now on the link below and unfortunately it looks no different to the current one.

Timetables

Northern | Buy Cheap Train Tickets and Check Train Times

www.northernrailway.co.uk

I find it particularly annoying that Northern have not only scrapped the through Scarborough-Sheffield trains but appear to have deliberately timed the connections at Hull to and from Sheffield so you just miss a train and have an hour's wait for the next one!

 

[bussnapperwm]

We’re talking heavy rail services from Paddington, not the Piccadilly.

Oh, fair enough. My bad

 

[M28361M]

Merseyrail are increasing their services from 5 July.

Monday-Saturday:
Southport-Hunts Cross reverts to 15 minute frequency all day.
All other lines are 30 minute frequency all day. No reduction in frequency to hourly after 8pm

Sundays:
Southport-Liverpool Central will be every 15 minutes daytime, 30 minutes in the evening.
Other lines remain the same frequency as now (45-minute frequency to West Kirby and New Brighton, hourly elsewhere) but now running later into the evening.

Source: https://www.merseyrail.org/seasonal/covid-19-july-timetable-changes.aspx

 

[nedchester]

People with symptoms of a respiratory infection including COVID-19

Guidance for people with symptoms of a respiratory infection including COVID-19, or a positive test result for COVID-19.

www.gov.uk

Guidance "If you cannot keep a 2 metre distance, reduce the risk to yourself and others by maintaining a 1 metre distance where possible, and taking suitable precautions. " but still " Consider all other forms of transport before using public transport. "

 

[AdamWW]

People with symptoms of a respiratory infection including COVID-19

Guidance for people with symptoms of a respiratory infection including COVID-19, or a positive test result for COVID-19.

www.gov.uk

Guidance "If you cannot keep a 2 metre distance, reduce the risk to yourself and others by maintaining a 1 metre distance where possible, and taking suitable precautions. " but still " Consider all other forms of transport before using public transport. "

Well if we get to the point where trains are still running largely empty and the treasury's patience for paying for them runs out, maybe we'll see a change in message. Aren't we all supposed to go to the pub as soon as we can for the sake of the economy?

 

[yorksrob]

Aren't we all supposed to go to the pub as soon as we can for the sake of the economy?

That is certainly my interpretation

 

[Southern Dvr]

The government is understandably concerned about images such as those from the tube where everyone was packed in as usual. Hence the do not travel unless essential messaging.

I expect it is quite likely that what will happen next is that they’ll say travel outside the rush hours and reservation essential for long distance with less seats available than pre covid but more than currently available on each train.

 

[Mag_seven]

Consider all other forms of transport before using public transport.

The Government need to supply the scientific evidence (and when I say evidence I mean real evidence not a theoretical paper produced by some retired professor) that travelling on public transport carries a high risk of catching COVID because I'm getting sick of this constant "do not use public transport" message.

The government is understandably concerned about images such as those from the tube where everyone was packed in as usual.

We need evidence that a high proportion of those who have caught COVID in London caught it on the tube. Otherwise its all guesswork.

 

[nedchester]

Aren't we all supposed to go to the pub as soon as we can for the sake of the economy?

Excellent. Something I can tell the Mrs when I'm going out for a drink. Nice one!

 

[nedchester]

The Government need to supply the scientific evidence (and when I say evidence I mean real evidence not a theoretical paper produced by some retired professor) that travelling on public transport carries a high risk of catching COVID because I'm getting sick of this constant "do not use public transport" message.

In Germany they are running adverts for the Railways encouraging people to travel by train.......

 

[MikeWM]

The Government need to supply the scientific evidence (and when I say evidence I mean real evidence not a theoretical paper produced by some retired professor) that travelling on public transport carries a high risk of catching COVID because I'm getting sick of this constant "do not use public transport" message.

One thing I've learned over the past few months is how incredibly poor many medical papers are. In particular, many seem to extrapolate conclusions from such tiny sample spaces (one bus, one hospital ward, one hotel, often one patient!) that in pretty much any other scientific field they would have no attention paid to them whatsoever.

 

[yorksrob]

We need evidence that a high proportion of those who have caught COVID in London caught it on the tube. Otherwise its all guesswork.

One thing I've learned over the past few months is how incredibly poor many medical papers are. In particular, many seem to extrapolate conclusions from such tiny sample spaces (one bus, one hospital ward, one hotel, often one patient!) that in pretty much any other scientific field they would have no attention paid to them whatsoever.

Indeed. Given the amount of tracking and tracing going on, there should be enough data to start looking at where cases are related by place and time, which should start to give a clue of where transmission is occurring. This should be able to provide an assessment of how much transfmission is likely to take place in all settings, including public transport.

 

[Huntergreed]

People with symptoms of a respiratory infection including COVID-19

Guidance for people with symptoms of a respiratory infection including COVID-19, or a positive test result for COVID-19.

www.gov.uk

Guidance "If you cannot keep a 2 metre distance, reduce the risk to yourself and others by maintaining a 1 metre distance where possible, and taking suitable precautions. " but still " Consider all other forms of transport before using public transport. "

This is, aside from the 1 metre, identical to the current guidance. I believe that this will, sadly, mean we haven't quite seen the end of 'essential only' pumping out from certain operators in a bid to make things easier for themselves. I think at this stage it's extremely disappointing that this guidance is still being maintained. I haven't seen one shred of solid evidence that suggests public transport acts as a 'super spreader' of the disease, and in fact restrictions are tighter there than anywhere else (masks and distancing), and yet we're STILL being told not to use it.

Aren't we all supposed to go to the pub as soon as we can for the sake of the economy?

We are, but I think many people will be too scared to go out, and those who do aren't likely to enjoy it as much due to the 'measures' in place.

I know many people in my university course who are in the lowest risk group who are terrified of going to the pub, terrified of going anywhere near public transport to go to the pub, and terrified to even go shopping because of the way the virus has been portrayed in government and media messaging. I really don't think our government considered the long term economic difficulties associated with such fear driven messaging and the level of dread-mongering that they went for and I do think this may make the economy much, much more difficult to get up to previous levels, if we even can anymore.

In Germany they are running adverts for the Railways encouraging people to travel by train.......

We really need to be doing this as well. Sadly the mandation of masks, the heavy '**** off' messaging coming from some TOC's and the way it has been portrayed as a 'danger' will, I think, have killed of a significant % of revenue for the railways, perhaps permanently, and if not then for a very long time indeed.

 

[yorksrob]

In Germany they are running adverts for the Railways encouraging people to travel by train.......

Perhaps the Germans have already done such research !