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DfT advise TOCs that full timetable is to be restored on 6 July

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Jamesrob637

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So basically, it looks as though no TOC's will be offering a full timetable from 6th July.

TPE are close - just no overnights and the Liverpool to Scotland aren't running. Otherwise business seems close to normal.
 
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TPE are close - just no overnights and the Liverpool to Scotland aren't running. Otherwise business seems close to normal.

That's good. Actually, of the TOC's I've had cause to travel on over the past few weeks, TPE have been the busiest.
 

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That's good. Actually, of the TOC's I've had cause to travel on over the past few weeks, TPE have been the busiest.

To be fair not all of the Liverpool to Scotland had been fully implemented even pre-COVID-19 due to the delay in acquiring the new trains. So it's a little closer to how it was, than I originally thought.
 

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TPE are close - just no overnights and the Liverpool to Scotland aren't running. Otherwise business seems close to normal.

The liverpool-scotland seems to be running according to RTT, and also very few GLC-MAN trains
 

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So will trains to / from Leicester not pick up the slack on 6th July, bearing in mind the area is about to be 'shut down' again, although not 100% sure it will do much good! Theory maybe fine, but in the real world maybe not.
 
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TPE are close - just no overnights and the Liverpool to Scotland aren't running. Otherwise business seems close to normal.
no they are not close to normal,only 2 trains a day between newcastle and edinburgh,limited through services from scarborough to manchester and liverpool and only 1 train per hour between manchester and liverpool,so not near normal
 

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GC Suspended until July 25th. Do we think they will ever return?
It's probably too early to make any predictions but there are other threads to discuss open access operators.

It's also linked with abolishing social distancing; again we have threads dedicated to that.

Let's try to keep to the upcoming timetable changes in this thread to avoid repeating other topics which are under discussion elsewhere :)
 

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I actually missed that they were running a through service to Ellesmere Port as well as the shuttle.

Looking at the times it seems that the through train arrives at ELP at xx54 and departs at xx32, so rather than sit at the terminus for 38 minutes they are sending it to Hooton and back.

Ellesmere Port is not a pleasant station or area for traincrew to have to hang around in for any length of time...
 

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I can't honestly see the issue with TOCs not restoring a Saturday timetable. We do not need peak extras until at least autumn if not winter. Few I know in all office-based industries will anything other than WFH for theforeseeable future. A Saturday timetable is easily good enough for someone wanting a day trip to a city or somewhere such as the Lakes, or someone to get their money's worth on a Rover.
 

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I can't honestly see the issue with TOCs not restoring a Saturday timetable. We do not need peak extras until at least autumn if not winter. Few I know in all office-based industries will anything other than WFH for theforeseeable future. A Saturday timetable is easily good enough for someone wanting a day trip to a city or somewhere such as the Lakes, or someone to get their money's worth on a Rover.
The numbers on peak trains to Liverpool Street are bumping up now so we do need more than a Saturday service to maintain social distancing.
 

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The numbers on peak trains to Liverpool Street are bumping up now so we do need more than a Saturday service to maintain social distancing.
That does surprise me. Everybody I've spoken to has told me their offices will only open for very limited numbers for at least July to start off with. Then again that's only a few people out of thousands.
 

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The numbers on peak trains to Liverpool Street are bumping up now so we do need more than a Saturday service to maintain social distancing.

Indeed. Some operators are reporting peak trains over capacity in social distancing terms.

That does surprise me. Everybody I've spoken to has told me their offices will only open for very limited numbers for at least July to start off with. Then again that's only a few people out of thousands.

Not everyone in London (or any city) works in an office. There’s all the building sites, the shops, hospitals, schools, and plenty of other non-offfice employers. On top of which many offices have gone back, albeit on a reduced basis.
 

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Not everyone in London (or any city) works in an office. There’s all the building sites, the shops, hospitals, schools, and plenty of other non-offfice employers. On top of which many offices have gone back, albeit on a reduced basis.
That's true but Liverpool Street is in the City.
 

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That's true but Liverpool Street is in the City.

And it has trains to lots of places where people who work at building sites, schools, shops etc live! Some early peak trains into Liverpool St were near social distancing limits in April /May.
 

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I've seen a noticeable increase recently. We're up to typically about 7 or 8 people per coach on many trains I've got, which is an absolutely huge increase in percentage terms! I've not had a coach to myself recently. It was common to see many completely empty coaches a few weeks ago. You can expect even greater increases in the coming days and weeks, so a big increase in services is needed very soon.
 

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I've seen a noticeable increase recently. We're up to typically about 7 or 8 people per coach on many trains I've got, which is an absolutely huge increase in percentage terms! I've not had a coach to myself recently. It was common to see many completely empty coaches a few weeks ago. You can expect even greater increases in the coming days and weeks, so a big increase in services is needed very soon.

But 1 metre from Saturday (Monday for most of the admittedly still limited number of commuters) will make a massive difference to the interiors of trains.
 

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But 1 metre from Saturday (Monday for most of the admittedly still limited number of commuters) will make a massive difference to the interiors of trains.
'1 Metre Plus', so basically unless you have a man with a clipboard come round and say you can move to 1m with extra mitigations, it's still 2m.

Does anyone know which distance will apply on the railway?
 

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Looks like SWR will not be offering a full service until atleast September 4th still keeping the pathetic shuttles between Weymouth and Bournemouth then the train to London only once an hour. Anyone know why?

Where did you get that date from and that shuttles will continue until then?
 

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So basically, it looks as though no TOC's will be offering a full timetable from 6th July.

All tocs are being directed by the DfT and my understanding is that from the 6/7 services will return to 80-85% of pre covid timetable.

Open Access grand Central have announced they will be returning late July.

Cross country have a list of stations they will no longer serve from Monday 6/7 until further notice due to, as I understand delays being caused by longer boarding and alighting times and limited social distance capacity. On Wessex, that covers Winchester and Brockenhurst.
 

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All tocs are being directed by the DfT and my understanding is that from the 6/7 services will return to 80-85% of pre covid timetable.

Open Access grand Central have announced they will be returning late July.

Cross country have a list of stations they will no longer serve from Monday 6/7 until further notice due to, as I understand delays being caused by longer boarding and alighting times and limited social distance capacity. On Wessex, that covers Winchester and Brockenhurst.

Fair point. And from my own point of view, I'm not against a longer term adjustment to services, so long as people have a useable service throughout the day, even if it is less frequent/slower. My main concern is that in the North anyway, we seem to have been left with a lot of routes with early closing, unusable timetables throughout the day etc. This ought to be resolved for 6/7 July.
 

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Fair point. And from my own point of view, I'm not against a longer term adjustment to services, so long as people have a useable service throughout the day, even if it is less frequent/slower. My main concern is that in the North anyway, we seem to have been left with a lot of routes with early closing, unusable timetables throughout the day etc. This ought to be resolved for 6/7 July.

I'd certainly agree that early closing of services needs to be addressed soon as some won't really be suitable once pubs and restaurants start opening.

Something else that needs sorting is updating of the online journey planners, some of which give out inaccurate info until only a couple of days before, which is useless when people need to plan a week ahead.
 

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'1 Metre Plus', so basically unless you have a man with a clipboard come round and say you can move to 1m with extra mitigations, it's still 2m.

Does anyone know which distance will apply on the railway?

Read the revised Transport guidance, which says clearly that if you can’t keep to 2m, maintain a 1m distance where possible. So, in theory, it’s not even 1m.

No clipboards required.
 

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Northern Chester service from Halifax still only every 2 hours although hourly to Man Vic. Hull service not listed on RTT until September. Evening service still finishing early. Bit disappointing given that hospitality is open from Saturday really
 
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