Rail Freight Flows and News UK

[72C]

Good news. less so, a comment has been made that clay traffic to Fowey has ceased until late July. Can anybody shed light on this please?

 

[stantheman]

GBRf have a new flow of coal starting tomorrow Monday 22 June from Killoch Colliery to Port Talbot Grange Sidings: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02904/2020-06-22/detailed
I understand it'll run MWO for 12 months initially. Good to see the Killoch Branch back in action!

What does this mean for Cwmbargoed ?
I thought the traffic from there ended up at Port Talbot , although there is a flow to Hope as well ?

 

[furnessvale]

What does this mean for Cwmbargoed ?
I thought the traffic from there ended up at Port Talbot , although there is a flow to Hope as well ?

Less imports?

 

[wallan]

Is this not a replacement service for the one operated by DB from Blyth / Tees Yard ?

 

[Amlag]

Well the first train of coal from Killoch Colliery for some while; today's 1223 to Port Talbot steelworks
( Formed by the 0445 from Kingmoor Yd which arrived at 0800 with empty wagons ) is on its way on what surely must be one of the longest freight journeys by rail in the UK ?

Does anyone know when the Annbank to Killoch Colliery line was last used before today's train ?

 

[stantheman]

Well the first train of coal from Killoch Colliery for some while; today's 1223 to Port Talbot steelworks
( Formed by the 0445 from Kingmoor Yd which arrived at 0800 with empty wagons ) is on its way on what surely must be one of the longest freight journeys by rail in the UK ?

Does anyone know when the Annbank to Killoch Colliery line was last used before today's train ?

Wonder why they can’t source the coal from Cwmbargoed ?

 

[stantheman]

Well the first train of coal from Killoch Colliery for some while; today's 1223 to Port Talbot steelworks
( Formed by the 0445 from Kingmoor Yd which arrived at 0800 with empty wagons ) is on its way on what surely must be one of the longest freight journeys by rail in the UK ?

Does anyone know when the Annbank to Killoch Colliery line was last used before today's train ?

14 January maybe , that’s the last report on scot-rail of 4S03

 

[furnessvale]

Wonder why they can’t source the coal from Cwmbargoed ?

There could be many reasons. Price? Quality (either a temporary or permanent change in the quality of previous supplies)? Is this new flow replacing previous imports and existing domestic supply will continue alongside?

 

[wallan]

I think you will find the Coal used to come from Blyth in Northumberland on a service operated by DB routed via Tees Yard

 

[stantheman]

There could be many reasons. Price? Quality (either a temporary or permanent change in the quality of previous supplies)? Is this new flow replacing previous imports and existing domestic supply will continue alongside?

There appears still to be one train a day from Cwmbargoed but RTT shows it finishing at Margam TC show that gives no clue .

 

[Freightmaster]

There appears still to be one train a day from Cwmbargoed but RTT shows it finishing at Margam TC show that gives no clue .

The 10.39 departure from Cwmbargoed (6C93) is indeed Port Talbot traffic.





MARK

 

[stantheman]

The 10.39 departure from Cwmbargoed (6C93) is indeed Port Talbot traffic.





MARK

I guess therefore the Port Talbot Grange place must be a siding or reception area as the return Killoch train takes about 30 seconds to reach Margam TC . Sad that these , together with a weekly Onllywn working seem to be the only coal traffic remaining in S Wales .

 

[furnessvale]

I guess therefore the Port Talbot Grange place must be a siding or reception area as the return Killoch train takes about 30 seconds to reach Margam TC . Sad that these , together with a weekly Onllywn working seem to be the only coal traffic remaining in S Wales .

Only sad if the traffic has been lost to other transport modes. If this reflects less use of coal overall, this can only be good in environmental terms.

 

[stantheman]

What does this mean for Cwmbargoed ?
I thought the traffic from there ended up at Port Talbot , although there is a flow to Hope as well ?

No sign of the Killoch train today .

 

[markymark2000]

Can we comment here on potential new flows in the future? I've seen a planning application with a view to use rail freight. Not sure if the specifics are of any use here though since it's not a current flow.

 

[furnessvale]

Can we comment here on potential new flows in the future? I've seen a planning application with a view to use rail freight. Not sure if the specifics are of any use here though since it's not a current flow.

That would certainly be news about a potential new flow so please tell.

 

[wallan]

No sign of the Killoch train today .

Possible arrival 0800 Wed 1st July

 

[markymark2000]

That would certainly be news about a potential new flow so please tell.

It's an application in Grimsby. The development basically turns rubbish into aviation fuel and when they get a waste contract with a firm with a railhead, they are going to build a rail terminal there.

DM/0664/19/FUL | Development of a sustainable transport fuels facility, including various stacks up to 80m high, creation of new accesses, installation of pipe lines, rail link, associated infrastructure and ancillary works (Environm

planninganddevelopment.nelincs.gov.uk

The application does state

The rail-part of the site will only be constructed in an appropriate waste contract is secured.

so it's not 100% confirmed but they have put in the full details for the rail terminal and the fact it is mentioned and there are detailed plans there, that means it must be favourable.

The application site is well connected to the rail network, with a rail line running along the site’s south-western boundary. When exploring waste contracts, the operator would seek to secure contracts with waste providers who could import waste via rail. However, this can be challenging, as a rail connection is required at the waste source, and this requirement can significantly reduce potential suppliers and the location of waste sources.

Based on the fact we have existing binliner flows, there is good potential for waste import via rail.

 

[furnessvale]

It's an application in Grimsby. The development basically turns rubbish into aviation fuel and when they get a waste contract with a firm with a railhead, they are going to build a rail terminal there.

DM/0664/19/FUL | Development of a sustainable transport fuels facility, including various stacks up to 80m high, creation of new accesses, installation of pipe lines, rail link, associated infrastructure and ancillary works (Environm

planninganddevelopment.nelincs.gov.uk

The application does state

so it's not 100% confirmed but they have put in the full details for the rail terminal and the fact it is mentioned and there are detailed plans there, that means it must be favourable.


Based on the fact we have existing binliner flows, there is good potential for waste import via rail.

Thanks for that. At least Grimsby is a reasonable distance from major cities so the chances of rail being viable are greater.

I just hope it doesn't end up like the Runcorn waste to energy plant where, having obtained planning permission on the basis of a large percentage of deliveries by rail, they went back to the council and got the restriction lifted when most of the rail deliveries did not materialise. (I appreciate there is no such restriction on this site).

 

[wallan]

Possible arrival 0800 Wed 1st July

Train Running Today

 

[BRX]

It's an application in Grimsby. The development basically turns rubbish into aviation fuel and when they get a waste contract with a firm with a railhead, they are going to build a rail terminal there.

DM/0664/19/FUL | Development of a sustainable transport fuels facility, including various stacks up to 80m high, creation of new accesses, installation of pipe lines, rail link, associated infrastructure and ancillary works (Environm

planninganddevelopment.nelincs.gov.uk

The application does state

so it's not 100% confirmed but they have put in the full details for the rail terminal and the fact it is mentioned and there are detailed plans there, that means it must be favourable.


Based on the fact we have existing binliner flows, there is good potential for waste import via rail.

I wouldn't hold out too much hope - it seems that it's common for the potential for rail connection to be included in a planning application in order to comply with planning policies that encourage this.

So, including this in an application makes approval more likely. However, this does not necessarily bear any relation to the commercial viability of using rail. The company concerned may have zero intention of actually using it.

 

[stantheman]

I had heard Sinfin oil tanks were due to restart under Colas , there’s a Sunday working appearing on RTT on 12 July ex Grangemouth 1836 , Sinifin arrival 0715 Monday , departure north at 1342 . Never seen this path before so maybe an indicator .

 

[ABB125]

I was told today that DRS have lost/not been renewed the Daventry-Wentloog Tesco contract, and the person who told me thought that the traffic was moving to the road. Is this true? If so, it's a shame

 

[androdas]

Is this not a replacement service for the one operated by DB from Blyth / Tees Yard ?

The North Blyth - Tees Yard is still running (Today at Least) just seen it pass through Cambois coming out the docks.

 

[Freightmaster]

The North Blyth - Tees Yard is still running (Today at Least) just seen it pass through Cambois coming out the docks.

The Killoch traffic is unable to run for the next two weeks due to engineering work in Scotland.




MARK

 

[stantheman]

Sinfin tanks running tonight , 1809 ex Grangemouth , presume Colas 70 ....first time for months this has run .

 

[stantheman]

56302 on the Sinfin

 

[Donny_m]

I was told today that DRS have lost/not been renewed the Daventry-Wentloog Tesco contract, and the person who told me thought that the traffic was moving to the road. Is this true? If so, it's a shame

Weird you say that as I noticed a LessCo2 rail box thing being pulled by a lorry on the motorway near Newport recently and could swear I haven’t seen them on the road before.

 

[158756]

Weird you say that as I noticed a LessCo2 rail box thing being pulled by a lorry on the motorway near Newport recently and could swear I haven’t seen them on the road before.

They must go on the road somewhere in South Wales because there's no Tesco facility at the rail terminal, so that might not be anything to do with the contract loss.

It isn't really surprising to hear the contract has been lost though, rail generally does well on long distance flows, and Daventry to Newport isn't that. Though the Midlands to Southampton/Felixstowe isn't much further, and those trains have managed to hang around for quite a while.

 

[furnessvale]

Weird you say that as I noticed a LessCo2 rail box thing being pulled by a lorry on the motorway near Newport recently and could swear I haven’t seen them on the road before.

Newport is comparatively near Wentloog. Sightings in number midway between South Wales and Daventry would be more significant.

Even so, I am sure the odd load makes a through journey by road when the train is full. Secondly, if there was a regular move back to road they would quickly revert to conventional road trailers which are more efficient for a throughout road trip.