Someone's begun a petition against compulsory face "maks" in English shops which could have a severely bad "affect" on the UK economy: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Someone's begun a petition against compulsory face "maks" in English shops which could have a severely bad "affect" on the UK economy: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Likewise!I've just signed it - hope lots of other people do as well.
Likewise!
I can already foresee the response from the government though.
'We appreciate that this is an uncertain time, however the safety of the public is our utmost priority, and this is a necessary precaution in order to ensure we are able to continually suppress the virus whilst we re-open the economy and build a better future for Great Britain. There is growing evidence to suggest that wearing face coverings reduces transmission of covid-19 in enclosed public spaces, so we felt this was the right time to take this step to protect public health whilst ensuring the path we take out of lockdown will allow us to rebuild in a sustainable and safe manner.' or summat like that, completely avoiding the point.
I doubt there is going to be any enforcement, and what question would you ask? Bear in mind there are many people covered by exemptions and you cannot ask them to prove it. Some people suffer from anxiety and it could be difficult to ask them in a way that did not make them feel uncomfortable.Some thoughts I had following the announcement it extends to takeaways and banks:
1. Is anyone going to try to enforce it in a kebab shop at 1:00am on a Sunday morning? That could be interesting.
Yes I’m with you on that.I would argue that a more effective petition would not seek to reverse the move, especially now it has been implemented. It would instead seek to clarify an exit strategy. Perhaps something like "Commit to ending the mask mandate in authorities with cases below 1 in 10,000" (phrased in a better way of course). That would at least have a chance of passing, and would end the risk of masks being here long after the virus. It wouldn't work for medium to long distance public transport, but would for local services and shops.
Three really obvious and simple things that need clarification I do agree.A few things need to happen now for me regarding masks.
1) We need to know what the Government's need to see happen before these restrictions are withdrawn.
2) A cap on the cost of a basic normal mask, if your poor things like this will matter.
3) Educate people on wearing masks so they don't risk self infection.
A few things need to happen now for me regarding masks.
1) We need to know what the Government's need to see happen before these restrictions are withdrawn.
2) A cap on the cost of a basic normal mask, if your poor things like this will matter.
3) Educate people on wearing masks so they don't risk self infection.
I haven't read all the latest on this thread yet (only up to #1410). Once again (as with the Public Transport version), I doubt very much if a successful prosecution would result from this legislation:
(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.
It places the burden on the prosecution to prove that the defendant had no reasonable excuse rather on the defendant to prove that he had. Imagine the prosecution case:
The prosecutor: "Mr Cummings entered Tesco in Barnard Castle without a face covering and he had no reasonable excuse for doing so." He then goes on to produce a witness who saw Mr Cummings in Tesco without a face covering.
Mr Cummings provided a "No comment" interview at the police station.
How does he prosecution go on to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that Mr Cummings had no reasonable excuse? Any ideas?
Yes - you'd think all three are obvious points.
But it seems not.
I bet they are...
I doubt there is going to be any enforcement
I’ve just returned from Tesco’s. Slightly busier than evenings have been of late, although still fairly empty. Just two couples in masks, not a single staff member, so about typical for recent weeks
No it isn't. The offence is only complete when he does so without a reasonable excuse. It is not incumbent on him (as the legislation is framed) to prove that he has such an excuse. The offence is entering premises without a face covering and without a reasonable excuse. The prosecution has to prove both of those elements. A police officer has no idea when he encounters the alleged transgressor whether he has an excuse or not. He can ask him and he can either say "yes" or refuse to answer at all. Neither of those responses proves he has no reasonable excuse.The offence is complete when he enters without a face covering.
No it isn't. The offence is only complete when he does so without a reasonable excuse. It is not incumbent on him (as the legislation is framed) to prove that he has such an excuse. The offence is entering premises without a face covering and without a reasonable excuse. The prosecution has to prove both of those elements. A police officer has no idea when he encounters the alleged transgressor whether he has an excuse or not. He can ask him and he can either say "yes" or refuse to answer at all. Neither of those responses proves he has no reasonable excuse.
I am really sorry to hear that. Hopefully you will feel better over the next week. It is a very big change that has taken place and it is not unnatural for it to cause anxiety.I have altered my vote to be a clear no, that I won't be going to shops as often. At the moment, I can't.
I left home at 20:30 this evening to go to the shops. At 21:00 I left the carpark without any shopping, having burst into tears in my car, and I haven't cried in years. I have just got home after going for a walk in a field to calm down.
In my cupboards I have about enough food to last one or two weeks if I'm very frugal with it. I'm not really sure where I'm going to go from here, but I know that I am not able to cope with the way that the world is changing and the uncertainty. I am probably going to have to "admit defeat" to myself and try to secure a supermarket delivery slot while I figure out why this is causing so much of an issue to me.
No it isn't. The offence is only complete when he does so without a reasonable excuse. It is not incumbent on him (as the legislation is framed) to prove that he has such an excuse. The offence is entering premises without a face covering and without a reasonable excuse. The prosecution has to prove both of those elements. A police officer has no idea when he encounters the alleged transgressor whether he has an excuse or not. He can ask him and he can either say "yes" or refuse to answer at all. Neither of those responses proves he has no reasonable excuse.
I double dare you!I've got a meme for this. I can't share it because it has a swear word on it, but picture Samuel Jackson in his role as Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction getting annoyed because someone has said "social distancing" again...
We've had online delivery for years. Out up with the annoyances of short dated items and ridiculous fruit and veg selections not sorted until the driver's gone (like 5 wide with of ginger root when is where for the tiniest piece available, or parties so green they were glowing).It’s very dodgy ground. There’s already been a shift to online through all this. It *may* be the case that this brings old people, generally the group less likely to use online, out spending, but this would have to be sufficient to overtop those who will switch to online. Personally I don’t think it will, and there’s the serious risk of catalysing a precedent that’s already been boosted by lockdown.
Despite being younger I still haven’t really warmed to online, even against a background where you don’t have to worry about things like your product not being in stock or whatever, however this really could be the tipping point for me. I’d probably go back to shops, that’s if there are any left by the time Boris’s mask fad fizzles out.
This is Reasonable Excuse 4(c) -
P removes their face covering to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to themselves or others;
(P = Person)
The autumn colds season isn't far away. If you sneeze or cough into your mask there's a reasonable chance you will cause "harm" to yourself if you don't remove the mask. If you keep the mask on, you're likely to touch it and then go around the shop touching other things.
I think this is what Jenny Harries was getting at when she said wearing a mask could cause more harm than good
The argument that the numbers have flatlined because of the lockdown measures is going to be impossible to substantiate. At best, those that believe ‘lockdown worked’ seem to be using logic from another episode of TV show ‘Yes, Prime Minister’:Yes - of course worldwide figures are rising. That just requires 1 person to contract it.
The flatlining is not necessarily an endorsement of the measures taken but it could be.
The number of new cases has dropped in the UK.