Greater Anglia Rolling Stock Updates

[TT-ONR-NRN]

They are listed on journey check as being formed of 12 coaches on GA website.

It isn’t unheard of to run triple 379s, you know What would be more of a giveaway would be lack of first class.

 

[dk1]

Do you know which services? Would like to time my travel later this week to try them.

Today’s Stansted Units (28/07/20) Subject to Usual Changes.
745106 - 1B04 05:06 Liverpool Street to Stansted
745103 - 1B20 07:10 Liverpool Street to Stansted

 

[Domk]

Class 379 has replaced a pair of 317s on one of the Bishops S - Stratford - Meridian Water diagrams. It was my 0929 TottH - Stratford. Have also observed 745 106 on the 0921 StEx to Liv St

 

[dk1]

745106 will swap with 745108 at Liverpool St so the former can get back to Norwich on the 10:30 and a train fault can then be rectified.

 

[Astro_Orbiter]

Class 379 has replaced a pair of 317s on one of the Bishops S - Stratford - Meridian Water diagrams. It was my 0929 TottH - Stratford. Have also observed 745 106 on the 0921 StEx to Liv St

I was just going to ask where the 4x 379 units displaced by the two 745's will go now? I would have thought onto Cambridge's but that'll be a treat for the Meridian Water brigade I suppose

 

[Taylorgb19]

They stated on ga webpage that the 379s will replace west anglia services for better upgrade while 317 go out of service

 

[F Great Eastern]

Talks are now said to be ongoing about getting the 317s a further exception to allow them to continue in service

With the poor availability of the 745/0s at the moment (see other thread) with many of the 745/1s being borrowed for the Norwich route and the three 745/1s on the Stansted route failing on their first day on that route they can't afford to lose any more stock you'd think, especially with no signs of 720s entering service.

21x 360s will be gone by the end of August as well unless a deal is done.

 

[RailWonderer]

Talks are now said to be ongoing about getting the 317s a further exception to allow them to continue in service

With the poor availability of the 745/0s at the moment (see other thread) with many of the 745/1s being borrowed for the Norwich route and the three 745/1s on the Stansted route failing on their first day on that route they can't afford to lose any more stock you'd think, especially with no signs of 720s entering service.

21x 360s will be gone by the end of August as well unless a deal is done.

And one failed at Stansted Airport! Operationally the worst nightmare. What is strange is that they operated the IC route without fault for 3 months then on their first day on the airport job two units (possibly three) fail.

Sensibly the 360s will be sub leased, I think the situation will be different to when the DMUs left many months ago since the 755s were arriving thick and fast then. With no 720s targeted until September with a rollout planned over 12 months; I doubt they will let go of the 360s, also given EMR is delaying that new timetable until at least May 21.

 

[dk1]

And one failed at Stansted Airport! Operationally the worst nightmare. What is strange is that they operated the IC route without fault for 3 months then on their first day on the airport job two units (possibly three) fai.

Without fault??? Where have you been?

 

[Railperf]

Class 379 has replaced a pair of 317s on one of the Bishops S - Stratford - Meridian Water diagrams. It was my 0929 TottH - Stratford. Have also observed 745 106 on the 0921 StEx to Liv St

Lea Bridge is my local station. The sooner the 745s replace the 379s that can then replace 317s - the better.

 

[RailWonderer]

Without fault??? Where have you been?

No 745/1 has had a failure worth reporting, only the /0 failed near Stratford to my knowledge. Some have to be rebooted/restarted if that counts as a failure. Not bad for a completely new type of train to the UK.

 

[dk1]

No 745/1 has had a failure worth reporting, only the /0 failed near Stratford to my knowledge. Some have to be rebooted/restarted if that counts as a failure. Not bad for a completely new type of train to the UK.

Good Lord we've had issue after issue. Everyday is an adventure.

 

[317666]

317659 + 671 are being transferred to Ely Papworth Sidings for storage: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04001/2020-07-31/detailed

According to Wikipedia, this now brings the total number of withdrawn 317/6s to five.

 

[Railperf]

317659 + 671 are being transferred to Ely Papworth Sidings for storage: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04001/2020-07-31/detailed

According to Wikipedia, this now brings the total number of withdrawn 317/6s to five.

was that a LO set?

 

[Railperf]

Good Lord we've had issue after issue. Everyday is an adventure.

yes...plenty of failures. i'm sure a 755 deputises between Norwich and Colchester several times per week - and would do through to LST if they were cleared to.

 

[samuelmorris]

was that a LO set?

LO don't run any /6s.

 

[Railperf]

LO don't run any /6s.

Shame it wasn't a 317/5. they are terrible sets.

 

[Bikeman78]

317659 + 671 are being transferred to Ely Papworth Sidings for storage: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04001/2020-07-31/detailed

According to Wikipedia, this now brings the total number of withdrawn 317/6s to five.

Yes 317659/662/663/669/671. The motors on the second series seem to be louder so enjoy them while you can. 317650 makes a very strange noise as it pulls away; it has done this for well over a year. Sounds like a severe wheel flat, but it isn't.

 

[Bikeman78]

Shame it wasn't a 317/5. they are terrible sets.

You're out of luck. The PRM units are all 317/3 or 317/5. The 317/6 are the longest out of overhaul and are going rusty. That is why they are slowly being withdrawn.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Yes 317659/662/663/669/671. The motors on the second series seem to be louder so enjoy them while you can. 317650 makes a very strange noise as it pulls away; it has done this for well over a year. Sounds like a severe wheel flat, but it isn't.

I saw most of those whilst at Cheshunt earlier in June.

You can hear the sounds of 317650 at 18:30 of my video.

 

[Bikeman78]

I saw most of those whilst at Cheshunt earlier in June.
You can hear the sounds of 317650 at 18:30 of my video.

Yes that's the one. It's very loud for the first few seconds. Must be a worn tooth on the gears I think. I'm surprised that it has run for so long in that state. I first noticed it in June last year.

 

[LAX54]

Good Lord we've had issue after issue. Everyday is an adventure.

They are a modern day 'Scud' !

 

[Bikeman78]

yes...plenty of failures. i'm sure a 755 deputises between Norwich and Colchester several times per week - and would do through to LST if they were cleared to.

Not long before lockdown a pair of 317s did the 17:00 LST-NRW to Ipswich and then empty back to Ilford. Probably the only time a 317 will make it to Ipswich this year. Unless they extend the 18:14 through again.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Not long before lockdown a pair of 317s did the 17:00 LST-NRW to Ipswich and then empty back to Ilford. Probably the only time a 317 will make it to Ipswich this year. Unless they extend the 18:14 through again.

With the 360s being off lease soon and 317s about to be granted a stay of execution by the DFT, it's not as far fetched to happen again as you think.

 

[LAX54]

With the 360s being off lease soon and 317s about to be granted a stay of execution by the DFT, it's not as far fetched to happen again as you think.

Now the Nin90 are not running, there is no reason the 317's cannot run to Ipswich again, vice terminating at Colchester

 

[Bikeman78]

With the 360s being off lease soon and 317s about to be granted a stay of execution by the DFT, it's not as far fetched to happen again as you think.

They could go to Braintree or Ipswich I suppose. Are they cleared for passenger use to Clacton? I know they run there empty for maintenance.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

With the 360s being off lease soon and 317s about to be granted a stay of execution by the DFT, it's not as far fetched to happen again as you think.

Whats happening with the 379's?

 

[Shunter_69]

They could go to Braintree or Ipswich I suppose. Are they cleared for passenger use to Clacton? I know they run there empty for maintenance.

Ilford drivers don’t sign Clacton and no other depot on the East sign them. They have to be conducted between Colchester and Clacton when they go for maintenance.

Not sure if they are cleared for passenger use or not but would seem unlikely to happen given the above.

 

[317666]

The motors on the second series seem to be louder so enjoy them while you can. 317650 makes a very strange noise as it pulls away; it has done this for well over a year. Sounds like a severe wheel flat, but it isn't.

The /6s generally always have made a bit more of a racket in my experience, although the phase one units are starting to catch up. 343 and 508 are two to watch (well, listen!) out for

I'm wondering how much longer we'll be able to enjoy a 317 on the weekdays only 1907 Liverpool Street - King's Lynn. Tottenham Hale to Audley End non-stop, and an end-to-end run of almost 100 miles!

 

[Domk]

Again there is a 379 on the Bishops - Stratford - Meridian Water diagram. Seen on the 0929 from Tottenham Hale