Trivia: Stations where a platform has been built on the actual site of a ex running line (e.g. fom previous rationalisation/singling)

[matacaster]

Forgot about Deighton. But is it being rebuilt, or will the new railway run south of the existing station?

Think its due to be moved towards Leeds.

 

[john prytherch]

Stockport Edgeley, the track serving the new Platform 0 is the reinstated Up Main. The platform itself stands on the site of the Up Goods.

John Prytherch.

 

[Springs Branch]

Salford Crescent station was built where there were historically six running lines (and no station) in the Windsor Bridge area. Tracks in the area were rationalised and completely realigned at the time of construction of the new station & the Windsor Link.

Hag Fold is another example of a new-build station on a former 4-track section. Today's Wigan-bound platform will be where the previous Up Fast line ran.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Maybe also London St. Pancras domestic opened in 2006, and Salford Crescent, opened in 1987.

Salford Crescent was build where there were historically six running lines (and no station) in the Windsor Bridge area. Tracks in the area were rationalised and completely realigned at the time of construction of the new station & the Windsor Link.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[norbitonflyer]

Several London termini, e.g Euston and Kings Cross originally had just two platforms, for arrivals and departures respectively, with the intervening space taken up with tracks. Platforms were added later, replacing some of those tracks. Until the 1970s, there was no Platform 3 or Platform 9 at Kings Cross, as these were the numbers of respectively a bay and a siding that had later been built over to widen adjacent platforms, and consequently what is now Platform 8 was known as Platform 10. (Whether the absence of Platform 9 inspired JK Rowling's 9-and-three-quarters I don't know - probably not as she has admitted she was thinking of Euston anyway)

 

[Ianno87]

I'd guess Milton Keynes Central, where the Slow Lines would've originally gone straight through the current Platform 3/4 island.

 

[steamybrian]

Ashford International platforms 5 and 6 were built on what were sidings.

Redhill platform 0 was built on goods lines and sidings.

Can someone confirm if the new Kintore station is being built on the site of the former junction to Alford.?

 

[uvarvu]

Waterloo. That old connecting line to Waterloo East was taken away right?
Plymouth. Those old platforms closest to the concourse were split up.

 

[swt_passenger]

Waterloo. That old connecting line to Waterloo East was taken away right?

Gone by 1911, according to previous discussions. The present buildings, track and platform layout date from completion of a 20 year rebuild in 1922, then there were some more minor alterations to platform widths in the area of the cab road prior to the Eurostar platforms being built.

I think it’s possible to go back a little too far with these questions, it’s now almost impossible to visualise where the through route to Waterloo East would have gone.

 

[colchesterken]

Stratford ( London ) they reduced the 4 tracks GEML to 3 to ease the curve and widen the platform. I liked to buildings and the signal box before,,ahh that is progress

 

[Senex]

Huddersfield platform 1 (extended outwards over the former up line in the late 1980s).

Mirfield platform 3 appears to be partly over the site of previous sidings.

Huddersfield is an interesting one. The western end of the old platform remains as a bay for the Sheffield service, whilst the rest of its length is built our across the old platform loop line to face directly on to the up fast line. This gives potentially a much better start for westbound trains that the old design of layout did.

 

[zwk500]

Is Durham up platform built out over the original loop?

I don't believe so, unless you're going back a very long way. I may well be wrong but I think for electrification the Down main was taken so they could put the masts in, as they weren't allowed to modify the canopies which would have been required to mount the gantries on the platforms/buildings. The original Down loop became the down main, but the Up Main and Up Loop remained as they were

Separately, Lewes has a former platform filled in with gravel, and Wikipedia claims Hassocks on the Brighton Main Line was built with Platform Loops that were later filled in, but if so then they must have been removed very quickly as 1890s maps show only 2 tracks and the current width platforms (with a full width canopy), which is confirmed by period photos. The source is Howard Turner, John (1979). The London Brighton and South Coast Railway 3 Completion and Maturity. Batsford. p. 126. ISBN 0-7134-1389-1, but I don't have a copy so can't verify the source.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Tweedbank, Galashiels, Gorebridge, Eskbank.

 

[Ianno87]

I don't believe so, unless you're going back a very long way. I may well be wrong but I think for electrification the Down main was taken so they could put the masts in, as they weren't allowed to modify the canopies which would have been required to mount the gantries on the platforms/buildings. The original Down loop became the down main, but the Up Main and Up Loop remained as they were

Durham has two down lines and one up line, not the other way around.

 

[zwk500]

Durham has two down lines and one up line, not the other way around.

My mistake - been a while since I had any dealings with that station. Am I still correct in my thinking that the platforms remained as there were during the electrification changes, and the Masts are on the former trackbed of the old Down Main?

 

[Julia]

Does Kings Cross (Met/Circle) count? The middle tunnel had a west-facing bay in there long ago.

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

Does Abergele count where they have removed a line and built the platform out to the through line now?

 

[swt_passenger]

My mistake - been a while since I had any dealings with that station. Am I still correct in my thinking that the platforms remained as there were during the electrification changes, and the Masts are on the former trackbed of the old Down Main?

Comparing old maps and satellite images, I think the current down main is mostly on the alignment of the original up main. The single up line is the previous up platform loop.

The entry to the down platform loop looks as if it has been eased to allow higher approach speed, and the platform built out slightly to meet it, which is probably why its canopy is set back a bit from the platform edge at the south end.

 

[Snow1964]

Pokesdown, the fast lines were removed (during 1972 resignalling ?) and the London end of platforms built out to ease curves to road bridge arches.

 

[Dr_Paul]

I think the Overground platform alterations at Clapham Junction also count.

Yes, the new platform 2 was built on the trackbed of the western half of the line at the old platform 2 (now platform 1; the original platform 1 has been without track for a long time), and is now on the line that originally went into the Kensington sidings but which didn't serve any platform.

 

[A0wen]

Sandy on the ECML - extensively rebuilt in the 1970s and I think the southbound platform may be on the formation of the old Bedford-Cambridge line ?

Also weren't Flowery Field and Godley which were put on the Hadfied / Glossop line put over what had been a 4 track line and reduced to 2 track by BR ?

 

[AlbertBeale]

Gone by 1911, according to previous discussions. The present buildings, track and platform layout date from completion of a 20 year rebuild in 1922, then there were some more minor alterations to platform widths in the area of the cab road prior to the Eurostar platforms being built.

I think it’s possible to go back a little too far with these questions, it’s now almost impossible to visualise where the through route to Waterloo East would have gone.

Actually not that hard to visualise - given the bridge it used to use above the road is still there (a bridge which, I think within living memory, was the walking route between the two stations before they built the new high-level one from the upstairs level at Waterloo Main). If you stand on the taxi/bus road in front of Waterloo, at the main concourse level, with your back to the old disused bridge over the road, you can see through an arch, ahead of you, onto the concourse ... which is the route the track went.

 

[swt_passenger]

Actually not that hard to visualise - given the bridge it used to use above the road is still there (a bridge which, I think within living memory, was the walking route between the two stations before they built the new high-level one from the upstairs level at Waterloo Main). If you stand on the taxi/bus road in front of Waterloo, at the main concourse level, with your back to the old disused bridge over the road, you can see through an arch, ahead of you, onto the concourse ... which is the route the track went.

The line didn’t go through the concourse entrance though, that’s a common mistake. That arch isn’t in line with the bridge. The arch was for the more modern cab road.

 

[paulb1973]

Suppose Nuneaton's platforms 6 & 7 fit the bill - they are on the site of sidings/goods lines.

 

[AlbertBeale]

The line didn’t go through the concourse entrance though, that’s a common mistake. That arch isn’t in line with the bridge. The arch was for the more modern cab road.

Hmmm - interesting - I'll go and have a look in the coming days! I'd assume the direction the track from the bridge would be facing is pretty obvious, however, even if there's no longer an arch in the right place...

 

[swt_passenger]

Hmmm - interesting - I'll go and have a look in the coming days! I'd assume the direction the track from the bridge would be facing is pretty obvious, however, even if there's no longer an arch in the right place...

We had a discussion similar to this about a year ago, or perhaps even 2018! The old bridge aims at the external station reception desk, but on the concourse side, I’d agree that you can estimate where it would have been, but there’s no physical evidence to see.

A couple of people had wrongly assumed the arch you can see from the inside of the station was for the rail route, but it’s actually significantly to the left of the correct location, (as viewed from the buffers).

 

[Ashley Hill]

Tiverton Parkways down platform is built on Sampford Peverells down platform loop.

 

[Andyjs247]

Several stations on the Chiltern line have platforms that have been built over existing running lines. The typical arrangement had platforms on loops either side of the double track main line. Princes Risborough retains a separate Up Main and Up Platform Loop but in the down direction the platform has been extended over the former Down Platform Loop.

At Bicester North, Platform 2 has been built out over the former Up Platform Loop and Up Main with the realigned Up Bicester approximately on the alignment of the previous Down Main.

 

[Leyther]

Nelson.
The access to the old island platform across the colne/skipton bound line has been built over to allow access to the lifts down to street level.

 

[AlbertBeale]

We had a discussion similar to this about a year ago, or perhaps even 2018! The old bridge aims at the external station reception desk, but on the concourse side, I’d agree that you can estimate where it would have been, but there’s no physical evidence to see.

A couple of people had wrongly assumed the arch you can see from the inside of the station was for the rail route, but it’s actually significantly to the left of the correct location, (as viewed from the buffers).

Hi again - right, I cycled up there earlier, and indeed the long-disused railway bridge [well, long-disused as a bridge for trains, not so long for other purposes; though a bit of it seems now to be used as a bike park] does point at a place where the archway is no longer open. As you say, it's more or less where the station office entrance is, by the head of the taxi rank. When I have more time, I'll pace it out as between the nearest two archways which are open, and go onto the concourse and get my bearings on that side. Then I'll know what I'm talking about next time...