I was thinking of visiting the Isle of Wight from a Tier 2 area. This would be purely for a day trip, not business. It seems that Government advice is not to do so, but there is nothing actually illegal about doing so. Have I understood the new Tier rules correctly?
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Can I / Should I visit the Isle of Wight?
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Gloster
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You will probably be met at the pier head by groups of locals waving pitchforks. More seriously, there is an undercurrent of hostility to people visiting who might bring COVID with them. So far it has mostly been muttering about coach visitors from Greater Manchester, but now that just about everywhere is in a higher tier it may spread. You could say you are from Cornwall.
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I thought that, but suspect the high fares charged to cross the Solent, tied with the seemingly early last crossings may put people off.
Cornwall on the other hand may be about to be invaded by the entire population of Plymouth...
bramling
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Cornwall has, of course, seen quite a bit of tourism from other parts of Britain since the original lockdown ended in the summer, yet here it is in tier one.
So any undercurrent of hostility is as much unfounded as it is unpleasant.
As a nation we *really* need to get away from this notion of other people being some kind of walking dirty germ-infested biohazard. Whilst out on a walk today I really had to bite my tongue in an alley way when some fool turned round and walked back until he could find somewhere to move several metres out the way. Dose of reality sorely needed, and if everyone took the same line then the country would have ground to a halt by now and we’d all be dead through no food, no water, etc.
Incidentally, it’s quite noticeable that a lot of people seem to be talking about visiting the IOW between now and Christmas. Is this a quirk of this forum simply because of the class 483 situation, or some wider thing?
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Gloster
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Wightlink is putting the FastCats back on from 5 December, but there will only be a limited service. First boat 07.15 Portsmouth, last 16.47 Ryde on weekdays; both one hour later on Saturdays and Sundays. I suspect (I don’t know) that this is so they can limit it to using one crew, as a couple more round trips would make commuting a lot easier.
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Question is would pubs on the Isle of Wight as for ID to prove you are an island resident? I live 14 miles from Leicester (dont mention tiers!) and when pubs re-opened in July Leicester was still in Lockdown and many pubs in my town were asking for ID to make sure no one was travelling from Leicester.
The difference in this case however is that all the areas near the Isle of Wight pubs and restaurants are still open - just that they must only serve alcohol with a substantial meal.
As carrying ID with your address on is not compulsory, they could be doing themselves out of a lot of business from islanders who don't have a driving licence. To be honest I doubt pub owners will care where their punters come from as long as they are spending money.
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If it's of any interest... Red Funnel is offering a third off travel booked today for any sailings up to October 2021.
I visited the Isle of Wight back in October and that involved travel from Tier 3 to Tier 1. I didn't have any issues on the Isle of Wight but the receptionist at a Premier Inn in London I stopped at on the way back wasn't happy to have me!
In fairness, I did book it before I was moved into Tier 3. After restrictions were increased the hotelier did e-mail me asking if I still wanted to travel but was otherwise happy for me to visit. Things may have changed now - but you could always argue that as you live in a higher tier you're familiar with the risks and automatically practise social distancing in a way that people in Tier 1 aren't.
I got to travel on both 483s as well....
In fairness, I did book it before I was moved into Tier 3. After restrictions were increased the hotelier did e-mail me asking if I still wanted to travel but was otherwise happy for me to visit. Things may have changed now - but you could always argue that as you live in a higher tier you're familiar with the risks and automatically practise social distancing in a way that people in Tier 1 aren't.
I got to travel on both 483s as well....
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Yes, let's just hope no groups of up to 6 visit from the main land and try and do a pub crawl round the Island, something not possible in Tier 2 areas.
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If you're going solo I shouldn't think there'll be an issue.
221129
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You are absolutely able to travel to the Isle of Wight. And you should absolutely travel if you want to!
Precisely - there is no more to it than this.
This is not correct. It's not essential travel only. We are not in lockdown, and the OP isn't even intending on seeing anyone on the island by the sounds of it, so I'm not seeing the issue here...
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steamybrian
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What I am not saying it is illegal but we should reduce the journeys we make to the minimum we consider necessary and essential. In order to reduce the spread of this pandemic I am doing my part and eliminating the number of leisure journeys I make. Those I do make are very local.
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221129
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Means nothing.
The IOW Council said last week they do not want people visiting.
Gloster
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Please explain.
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We're not going to agree on this one.
We can all find out what the law is, and what the government guidance is. But neither of these are perfectly clear (partly because they've been written in a hurry by fallible human beings, and partly because a bit of vagueness can be useful - do we want a menu written by civil servants of precise items of food that may be accompanied by alcohol to the exclusion of all other foodstuffs, or to be told that there should be a 'substantial meal'?) so we all need to do a little bit of interpretation of what the rules mean.
And we all approach interpreting the rules from different places. I think there are very few people who are deliberately going out and behaving in a way that they think is dangerous - but there are different views of what is safe.
So what does this mean for threads like this? Firstly, that we're not going to conclude it in a way that makes everyone happy, but secondly that we'll have to recognise that people may not take the advice given in good faith. So please let's not get too stroppy with people offering advice that we don't agree with.
For the actual question of 'should I go for a last play on the 483', my response would be
- what does the law say? If that means you can't travel then don't.
- what does the guidance say? Do you agree with the guidance?
- what does your view of how things are going with the pandemic say?
Only if you find that none of those questions has to be answered with 'don't travel' should you be on the ferry.
We can all find out what the law is, and what the government guidance is. But neither of these are perfectly clear (partly because they've been written in a hurry by fallible human beings, and partly because a bit of vagueness can be useful - do we want a menu written by civil servants of precise items of food that may be accompanied by alcohol to the exclusion of all other foodstuffs, or to be told that there should be a 'substantial meal'?) so we all need to do a little bit of interpretation of what the rules mean.
And we all approach interpreting the rules from different places. I think there are very few people who are deliberately going out and behaving in a way that they think is dangerous - but there are different views of what is safe.
So what does this mean for threads like this? Firstly, that we're not going to conclude it in a way that makes everyone happy, but secondly that we'll have to recognise that people may not take the advice given in good faith. So please let's not get too stroppy with people offering advice that we don't agree with.
For the actual question of 'should I go for a last play on the 483', my response would be
- what does the law say? If that means you can't travel then don't.
- what does the guidance say? Do you agree with the guidance?
- what does your view of how things are going with the pandemic say?
Only if you find that none of those questions has to be answered with 'don't travel' should you be on the ferry.
221129
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It does not mention anything about ESSENTIAL travel. It is also not law.
Tough.
I shall remember that when all the restrictions have been lifted and people are able to travel again.
LSWR Cavalier
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Perhaps the words 'can' and 'may' should be used, they have different meanings
I was just thinking of a walk into the country, bus home, but I wondered if the bus driver might refuse to take me. Best not to travel for a while, enjoy being at home, the destinations shall still be there later
I was just thinking of a walk into the country, bus home, but I wondered if the bus driver might refuse to take me. Best not to travel for a while, enjoy being at home, the destinations shall still be there later
221129
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Why would the bus driver refuse to take you?!
The OP wants to travel from a Tier 2 area, not a Tier 3 area.
They are allowed to do so, not just in law, but also the Guidance has nothing against it either.
If they were asking about travelling from a Tier 3 area, then the Guidance advises against it (though it would not be illegal)
So the answer is yes it is within the law and within the guidance to visit.
They are allowed to do so, not just in law, but also the Guidance has nothing against it either.
If they were asking about travelling from a Tier 3 area, then the Guidance advises against it (though it would not be illegal)
So the answer is yes it is within the law and within the guidance to visit.
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