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UK cut off from EU, due to concerns over new Coronavirus strain

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We will never know because Thatcher is dead and Tony Blair is persona non gratia.

So we're left with Boris.......
What we all should be doing, even those who support Boris Johnson, is holding him to account properly, rather than just blindingly accepting whatever he or his Government does. In this day of tribal politics this doesn't happen enough, people just defend others based on character, not policies. Learning from mistakes is what makes everyone better people; denying them helps nobody.
 
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What we all should be doing, even those who support Boris Johnson, is holding him to account properly, rather than just blindingly accepting whatever he or his Government does. In this day of tribal politics this doesn't happen enough, people just defend others based on character, not policies. Learning from mistakes is what makes everyone better people; denying them helps nobody.

That's what the opposition are supposed to be for, but all they are doing is nodding then adding 'but earlier / longer / more restrictions'.
 

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Indeed - and he is utterly incompetent. It's hard to believe that any PM in living memory would have handled this worse than him.
It's a good thing that Corbyn isn't Prime Minister, I very doubt he is up to the job and perform even worse than any previous PM.
 

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It's a good thing that Corbyn isn't Prime Minister, I very doubt he is up to the job and perform even worse than any previous PM.

Just because the alternative is generally regarded as being worse absolutely doesn’t excuse the current appalling performance.

I agree that it’s impracticable for Boris to be removed at this time. However he needs to go sooner rather than later, we cannot have this liability in power for a moment longer than the bare minimum.
 

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It's a good thing that Corbyn isn't Prime Minister, I very doubt he is up to the job and perform even worse than any previous PM.

It's hard to believe that he would have been any worse than Johnson (although he may have been little better).
 

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It's hard to believe that he would have been any worse than Johnson (although he may have been little better).

I think I've said this before, but in my opinion while Corbyn would no doubt have done similar with lockdowns etc., there would likely have been two positives.

Firstly an opposition that was on the 'less restrictions' side rather than one that is on the 'more restrictions' side, as I imagine the Conservatives in opposition would have taken a position closer to something like Great Barrington.

Secondly I don't think Corbyn would have allowed the NHS to become the 'National Covid Service' and effectively stop treatments and diagnostics for so much else.
 

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Its obvious the EU is using this as an opportunity to flex their muscle as part of their overall strategy during the negotiations,it's too good to pass up, all they had to do was ring Macron and tell him to close the border under the guise of controlling the virus, meanwhile similar strain has been discovered in Italy, I'm pretty sure the French already had it and is covering it up.


Meanwhile they will enjoy watching Britain weaken, or so they think, unfortunately they have ignored history Napoleon, Kaiser and Hitler all found that the British people are not so easily cowed, it would only cause us to dig our heels in and become the ultimate awkward squad, something we're very good at.

Can I propose a less tin-hatted explanation?

Ours is simply a very easy border to close. You know, being an island and all.
 

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Its obvious the EU is using this as an opportunity to flex their muscle as part of their overall strategy during the negotiations,it's too good to pass up, all they had to do was ring Macron and tell him to close the border under the guise of controlling the virus.
Or it is sovereign countries protecting their borders from an ‘out of control’ strain of the virus.
Meanwhile they will enjoy watching Britain weaken, or so they think, unfortunately they have ignored history Napoleon, Kaiser and Hitler all found that the British people are not so easily cowed, it would only cause us to dig our heels in and become the ultimate awkward squad, something we're very good at.
It’s dramatic warlike talk like this which increases tensions between countries. You seem to be forgetting that France and the rest of the EU countries are still allies. It isn’t World War Three yet.
 

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Maybe, people did get complacent because they want what they want their needs comes first before the national good.

As you no doubt know how universally reviled Tony Blair is, it was for different reasons, we can't really retrospectively speculate today's events to Tony Blair's Premiership response to Coronavirus.

It is now today not the past, Boris got the job of dealing with it no one else.
We can't speculate about Blair but you can about Corbyn?

Both are completely irrelevant; more Brexit whataboutery to avoid the reality. Johnson is a clown and his bench and party is full of Brexit yes people and surprise surprise they are useless.
 
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What we all should be doing, even those who support Boris Johnson, is holding him to account properly, rather than just blindingly accepting whatever he or his Government does.
As should the broadcast media.
 

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Who do you suggest should step to the role of dealing with it ?
Guess what, I'll do it. Fed up with insinuating that it spreads as people don't follow rules, it's actually the virus not following the rules, well how surprising is that. I've had enough of politicians saying we need to do X or Y when they have no idea and then wonder why the plan doesn't work. I have a scientific background and understand people's livelihoods are at risk as well as mental well-being. Oh and I realise there's more than just this virus to worry about, where do I apply?
 

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We can't speculate about Blair but you can about Corbyn?

Both are completely irrelevant; more Brexit whataboutery to avoid the reality. Johnson is a clown and his bench and party is full of Brexit yes people and surprise surprise they are useless.
Corbyn was the opposition at the same election as Boris that's why, it could have gone either way and be in charge during the pandemic, yesterday's leaders wouldn't have been voted into a position where would be dealing with it.

Remain does a lot of whataboutery themselves and dish out a lot of insults then gets upset when they get the same back.
 

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Has the title changed?
Probably :D however many have criticised Boris handling of the Pandemic sort of linking the two.

It doesn't change my original view, the blocking of the ports is linked to Brexit as it would be an irresistible opportunity to flex the EU muscle to remind us what they can do in the event of a No Deal Brexit, the irony is that its too late, the new mutation is already in Europe.
 

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Sorry, why are we still talking about Corbyn here? He’s irrelevant and the past, even his nutcase brother is more relevant than he is at this point in time. As for the EU conspiracy theories, leave the tin foil for the Christmas turkey.
 

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Probably :D however many have criticised Boris handling of the Pandemic sort of linking the two.

It doesn't change my original view, the blocking of the ports is linked to Brexit as it would be an irresistible opportunity to flex the EU muscle to remind us what they can do in the event of a No Deal Brexit, the irony is that its too late, the new mutation is already in Europe.

Or, as it turns out, EU countries *can* control their own borders. "Taking back control" or something like that. Who knew?
 

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Of course if you believe that on the surface.
In politics when an opportunity presents itself to advance your position, seize it.
Politics is about being opportunists.

Anyway, this will go round in circles as infinitum. I have my firm views.

It's all linked.
 

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Of course if you believe that on the surface.
In politics when an opportunity presents itself to advance your position, seize it.
Politics is about being opportunists.

Anyway, this will go round in circles as infinitum. I have my firm views.

It's all linked.

Righto.
 

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Or it is sovereign countries protecting their borders from an ‘out of control’ strain of the virus.

It’s dramatic warlike talk like this which increases tensions between countries. You seem to be forgetting that France and the rest of the EU countries are still allies. It isn’t World War Three yet.
I suspect a lot of countries are doing it more to be seen to be doing something to their electorates. In terms reducing this new strain’s spread, it probably achieves very little as I suspect it is all over Europe by now.
 

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I suspect a lot of countries are doing it more to be seen to be doing something to their electorates. In terms reducing this new strain’s spread, it probably achieves very little as I suspect it is all over Europe by now.


It may well explain some of the recent growth in places like Italy and Germany , - but maybe not picked up by their health monitors.?
 

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I suspect a lot of countries are doing it more to be seen to be doing something to their electorates. In terms reducing this new strain’s spread, it probably achieves very little as I suspect it is all over Europe by now.

Like I say - closing the UK border is an easy win compared to a land border.
 

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What we all should be doing, even those who support Boris Johnson
I voted tory a year ago and I think they all need a kick up the arse. I also regret voting tory but the other options were crap. If (and I know he's disliked here) Farage got his act together and stopped being so indecisive about his career, he could provide a decent opposition to the current 2 party state we currently have and maybe they'll stop fumbling around from scandal to scandal, but I digress.
 

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I voted tory a year ago and I think they all need a kick up the arse. I also regret voting tory but the other options were crap. If (and I know he's disliked here) Farage got his act together and stopped being so indecisive about his career, he could provide a decent opposition to the current 2 party state we currently have and maybe they'll stop fumbling around from scandal to scandal, but I digress.
I would not want Farage getting his act together. History has warned us about people like him. I doubt he will ever gain any popularity, unless this country gets even more mad.
Getting back on topic - the fact Farage has blamed China for ruining our Christmas is far too Trumpish, and has war-like posts on his Twit account regarding the EU countries shutting their border to us - rather than seeing that it’s sovereign countries reacting to our own politicians saying our virus is ‘out of control’.
The man would be far more divisive and damaging than Johnson, judging by his previous actions.
 
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I would not want Farage getting his act together. History has warned us about people like him. I doubt he will ever gain any popularity, unless this country gets even more mad.

Farage is only interested in grandstanding - he wouldn't actually want to have to try to implement anything himself.
 

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What is Laurence Fox up to with his Reclaim party?
He's mainly being acting like a rebel and not being afraid to show it (as in he's revealed a few times when he's acted against restrictions), although it won't come as a surprise on Twitter it's not going down well from what I can see. He did on the subject of the border closures though talk in unwanted language of asking if we're at war with Europe, otherwise it's all criticising the current strategy on lack of liberties.
 

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He's mainly being acting like a rebel and not being afraid to show it (as in he's revealed a few times when he's acted against restrictions), although it won't come as a surprise on Twitter it's not going down well from what I can see. He did on the subject of the border closures though talk in unwanted language of asking if we're at war with Europe, otherwise it's all criticising the current strategy on lack of liberties.
Cheers Brad - I don't quite know what to make of him but I am interested in his efforts
 

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I voted tory a year ago and I think they all need a kick up the arse. I also regret voting tory but the other options were crap. If (and I know he's disliked here) Farage got his act together and stopped being so indecisive about his career, he could provide a decent opposition to the current 2 party state we currently have and maybe they'll stop fumbling around from scandal to scandal, but I digress.

Whatever one thinks of Farage, the two main parties need a hefty kick up the backside, and the Liberal Democrats simply aren’t geared up for that any more. Love him or loathe him Farage is pretty much the only hope at this moment. That’s not a good position at all.
 

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Whatever one thinks of Farage, the two main parties need a hefty kick up the backside, and the Liberal Democrats simply aren’t geared up for that any more. Love him or loathe him Farage is pretty much the only hope at this moment. That’s not a good position at all.

Let's hope some of those Tory backbenchers kick up a fuss as soon as parliament is sitting again.
 
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