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Donald Trump and the aftermath of his presidency

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najaB

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Well, that's it then - acquitted. His 2024 campaign will start tomorrow.
He was always going to be acquitted. The interesting thing is that seven Republicans voted to convict. That's a hopeful sign that his hold over the party is starting to weaken. I'm reasonably confident now that by 2024 he'll be a non-factor in the Republican party.

The only question is how much success his third party will have.
 

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Well, that's it then - acquitted. His 2024 campaign will start tomorrow.
I kind of hope so. From the position Trump is in now, even if he gets to be the Republican candidate again, he will continue to alienate and split the Republicans, such that the Democrats will stand a chance of having a woman of colour as President. All good, in my book.
 

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I presume the ranting has already restarted, together with the claims that he won the election. It will just be another thing that his ego sees as massive personal victory.
 

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It was always going to be a bit of a damp squib. I think the GOP will soon regret not taking the opportunity to draw a line under the Trump era, especially if he wants to run again in 2024. Divided parties seldom do well.
 

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By 2024 I don't think he'll be physically or mentally capable of running for office.
I agree. Although I could see him getting behind someone else in the family who’d like a shot at it.
 

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I kind of hope so. From the position Trump is in now, even if he gets to be the Republican candidate again, he will continue to alienate and split the Republicans, such that the Democrats will stand a chance of having a woman of colour as President. All good, in my book.
I'm not sure Copmala would be the candidate of choice for those on the left of the democratic party. If Biden retires at the end of this term (as some expect him to) then Harris will almost certainly be the nominee, but her record isn't great as far as the progressive wing of the party is concerned. Much like Obama, her minority background seems to be a shield to criticism from the left.
 

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Was he in 2016 (mentally at least)? Anyway, I can’t see that stopping him having a go.
The difference now is 8 years will have passed by the time 2024 comes around, which is a long time when one is older than 70. He also doesn't have the best diet from what we've heard, and I'm amazed given his personality and forceful rhetoric he hasn't had a heart attack yet from the stress of it all at that age.
 

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Impeachment is only a political process. It remains to be seen if there are criminal charges in the pipeline - presumably the FBI investigation is ongoing, and that's before you get to intimidation of election officials (that infamous Georgia call that was recorded).
 

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It was always going to be a bit of a damp squib. I think the GOP will soon regret not taking the opportunity to draw a line under the Trump era, especially if he wants to run again in 2024. Divided parties seldom do well.

I think they're too scared. Weren't a lot of those who voted to impeach/convict those who aren't up for re-election soon?

But I think they were scared of being seen to vote against Trump, but behind closed doors and with some anonymity I am sure they'll start leaking things and helping a proper prosecution where Trump will get put inside. Plus, if Trump tries to reduce his sentence by revealing any information about Russia or the like, I suspect he'll have a tragic accident (well he is old... and maybe Covid had some long term issues).

I really do not think he'll be back in 2024, although I do think someone in his family will want to continue the grift.
 

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Well, it was only a matter of time knowing Trump:


Former President Donald Trump has launched a scathing personal attack on fellow Republican Mitch McConnell.

"Mitch is a dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack," said Mr Trump, "and if Republican Senators are going to stay with him, they will not win again."

Mr McConnell, who led the Senate for years, voted to acquit Mr Trump in his impeachment trial last week.

But he then attacked him as "morally responsible" for the US Capitol riot because of his election fraud "lies".

In a speech on the Senate floor, he implied Mr Trump should face criminal and civil litigation, because he was "still liable for everything he did while in office".
 

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"Mitch is a dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack," said Mr Trump

You have to admit, in true stopped clock-style Trump is right about that. In spite of everything McConnell said on the floor of the Senate about maintaining constitutional norms in confirming the EC votes, he still voted for Trump's acquittal..again.
 

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Well the impeachment was just a side show hopefully. So what if Trump got acquitted - it just says something about the Republican party and it would only have kept him, publicly, out of politics. But my money is on proper criminal proceedings which will incur more serious penalties. This time he will not be being judged by people who are scared of him or can be influenced ($) by him I hope.
 

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Well the impeachment was just a side show hopefully.
I wouldn't say it was a sideshow, it was useful in that he's now the "twice impeached" Donald Trump. But moreso because it gave the GOP senators an opportunity to state, once and for all, if they stand with America or Drumph.

Conviction in the senate was almost never going to happen, but at the end of the day impeachment is a political solution to a political problem. As you note, it's the impending conviction(s) in criminal court that really matter.
 

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It has been gratifying to see Trump fade from the headlines in recent weeks. Although I would be happy to see him brought to book, I am more happy that he should fade away, never to return.
 

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It has been gratifying to see Trump fade from the headlines in recent weeks. Although I would be happy to see him brought to book, I am more happy that he should fade away, never to return.
I'd also be happy to never hear from the Orange One ever again, but failing to impose some consequence just emboldens Trump v2 - and this one might actually be competent.
 

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It has been gratifying to see Trump fade from the headlines in recent weeks. Although I would be happy to see him brought to book, I am more happy that he should fade away, never to return.
Trump is out of sight but not out of mind. He will still be communicating away with his "brown shirts" and future storm troopers. The myth that he had the election stolen from him needs to be very very thoroughly disproved. Even then there will be those who refuse to accept democratic defeat. There are still those who rally around the memory of Adolf Hitler and he took a number of democratic and legal knocks until he became dictator. It then took a world war to defeat Adolf Hitler and despite that his memory lives on. Trump has awoken the unthinking "loyal" foot soldiers that are needed for a coup.
 

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The Supreme Court has finally rejected Trump's attempts to keep his financial records secret which means they must be released to New York prosecutors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/supreme-court-trump-financial-records.html

The Supreme Court on Monday rejected a last-ditch attempt by former President Donald J. Trump to shield his financial records, issuing a brief, unsigned order requiring Mr. Trump’s accountants to turn over his tax and other records to prosecutors in New York.

The court’s order was a decisive defeat for Mr. Trump, who had gone to extraordinary lengths to keep his tax returns and related documents secret. There were no dissents noted.

It will be interesting to see if this triggers any prosecutions.
 

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The Supreme Court has finally rejected Trump's attempts to keep his financial records secret which means they must be released to New York prosecutors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/supreme-court-trump-financial-records.html

It will be interesting to see if this triggers any prosecutions.
I think that might be more important than the second impeachment. If there is dirt to be found, and no stone will be left unturned, it would be interesting to see how many GOP members of Congress are prepared to support someone who appears to not be paying their full wack in taxes, particularly when the average American is struggling.
 

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The Supreme Court has finally rejected Trump's attempts to keep his financial records secret which means they must be released to New York prosecutors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/supreme-court-trump-financial-records.html

It will be interesting to see if this triggers any prosecutions.
Stuffing the court with his appointees hasn't worked for Trump then. I'm relieved to see that even the judges he appointed see their duty to the constitution as above any loyalty to the ex president.
 

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I'm relieved to see that even the judges he appointed see their duty to the constitution as above any loyalty to the ex president.
Yes. Though it is a fairly extreme right-wing interpretation of the Constitution so it will still have (from my perspective) a negative impact on US politics and policies for a generation.
 

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Yes. Though it is a fairly extreme right-wing interpretation of the Constitution so it will still have (from my perspective) a negative impact on US politics and policies for a generation.
Agreed - we'll probably see some 6-3 or 5-4 judgements that will look very odd to a centrist European view. But at least even Ms Coney Barrett hasn't taken a wholly pro-Trump stance.
 

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