Brexit matters

[simonw]

The EEC was founded originally to ensure co-operation between the 3 big western European countries (France/Germany/Italy) and to reduce the likelihood of armed conflict between them. The UK was not wanted originally as a partner, and after the 2nd refusal to admit it in the late 1960s and with the benefit of the retrospectoscope, should have accepted that decision and moved on. When the UK finally joined, it was as a lesser partner and the big 3 remained the same until German unification. Subsequent to this event, Germany has become the dominant partner, due to its size and economic power.



Some might view the Greater Germany of WW2 as a forerunner of the EU in some ways, although it was clearly not a voluntary partnership. Napoleon's Continental System, established following the Berlin decree of 1806, was another autocratic attempt to create a European continental block opposed to the UK.

One thing that has become clear over the last few months as Brexit has evolved, as illustrated by the spat over vaccine availability, is that a divorce is rarely amicable.

The UK was invited to be part of the original arrangements. Unfortunately, we saw ourselves as having interests elsewhere. By the time we woke up to the fact that we were looking in the wrong direction, de Gaul was in power. The story of post war Britain is one of being late to so many parties that we play continual catch up.

 

[21C101]

Back to Vaccines.

An EU order for 100 million doses of Novavax vaccines with an option for 100 million more that should have been signed weeks ago has stalled. The company has delayed signing the deal for weeks and has apparently cited legal issues. Apparently they are said to be wary of putting pen to paper following the threats made by the EU to AstraZeneca following issues with the manufacturing of the Oxford Vaccine.

Meanwhile the BBC report that UK Prime Minister has announced the signing of a deal to manufacture 60 million doses of er...Novovax. Manufacture will start in May, with production at a Fujifilm factory at Stockton on Tees.

Bottling has, apparently due to the EUs recent behaviour, been switched from the original plan to do it in Germany to be done instead at GSKs bottling facility at er...Barnard Castle

 

[52290]

Back to Vaccines.

Bottling has, apparently due to the EUs recent behaviour, been switched from the original plan to do it in Germany to be done instead at GSKs bottling facility at er...Barnard Castle

I didn't see that cumming!

 

[najaB]

Bottling has, apparently due to the EUs recent behaviour, been switched from the original plan to do it in Germany to be done instead at GSKs bottling facility at er...Barnard Castle

It might be due to the EU's behaviour, or it might be due to the complexity of trade between the EU and a third country.

Speaking of which, how many doses of vaccine have been exported from the UK to the EU so far?

 

[Tazi Hupefi]

It might be due to the EU's behaviour, or it might be due to the complexity of trade between the EU and a third country.

Speaking of which, how many doses of vaccine have been exported from the UK to the EU so far?

I believe a considerable quantity of vaccine pre-cursor ingredients have been exported to the EU, although the vaccines we are exporting are going to our Crown Dependencies / overseas British territories, not the EU.

 

[najaB]

I believe a considerable quantity of vaccine pre-cursor ingredients have been exported to the EU, although the vaccines we are exporting are going to our Crown Dependencies / overseas British territories, not the EU.

Thanks. Any idea how many doses we've imported from the EU?

 

[Journeyman]

I’m afraid they are inevitable. If not now, in years to come. Much better to be in control of our own destiny

Yes, much better to be fighting over the last can of beans as society crumbles around us, while our neighbours continue to enjoy peace, prosperity, freedom and convenience.

 

[Domh245]

Thanks. Any idea how many doses we've imported from the EU?

Vaccines manufactured by the EU, zero. Vaccines manufactured in EU countries, somewhere around 15m

 

[najaB]

Vaccines manufactured by the EU, zero.

Well naturally. Other than China and Cuba I don't think any government/political organisation actually makes vaccines.

 

[class ep-09]

It might be due to the EU's behaviour, or it might be due to the complexity of trade between the EU and a third country.

Speaking of which, how many doses of vaccine have been exported from the UK to the EU so far?

Big fat zero .

And we are the ones moaning about the vaccine nationalism .

No surprise here.
BoJo described UK vaccination programme as success due to greed but that his modus operandi for his whole life ( that and lying) so again no surprise here.

 

[317 forever]

Back to Vaccines.

An EU order for 100 million doses of Novavax vaccines with an option for 100 million more that should have been signed weeks ago has stalled. The company has delayed signing the deal for weeks and has apparently cited legal issues. Apparently they are said to be wary of putting pen to paper following the threats made by the EU to AstraZeneca following issues with the manufacturing of the Oxford Vaccine.

Meanwhile the BBC report that UK Prime Minister has announced the signing of a deal to manufacture 60 million doses of er...Novovax. Manufacture will start in May, with production at a Fujifilm factory at Stockton on Tees.

Bottling has, apparently due to the EUs recent behaviour, been switched from the original plan to do it in Germany to be done instead at GSKs bottling facility at er...Barnard Castle

And of course, the main bus route to Barnard Castle is Arriva, owned by Deutsche Bahn of Germany, a key member of the EU.

 

[Doppelganger]

UK shellfish farmers threaten legal action over ban on exports to EU

Industry claims it was misled by Defra over post-Brexit position and will sue unless trade with union restarts soon

www.theguardian.com

"UK shellfish farmers threaten legal action over ban on exports to EU

Industry claims it was misled by Defra over post-Brexit position and will sue unless trade with Europe restarts soon"

Good luck is all have to say, but I think we all know the British government will just continue to do exactly as they please.

 

[REVUpminster]

^With France going into lockdown again, who's going to buy this shellfish?

 

[jon0844]

^With France going into lockdown again, who's going to buy this shellfish?

Did anyone ever care about our fish? Nigel Farage sure as hell didn't.

Boris threw them under a bus (or is that under the sea?) and I doubt they'll get anywhere.

 

[simonw]

^With France going into lockdown again, who's going to buy this shellfish?

Funnily enough, people still eat during lockdown

 

[REVUpminster]

Funnily enough, people still eat during lockdown

But they don't want to clean the shellfish. Lack of foresight on the British fisherman. Most of the non shellfish being landed is being frozen by companies like Iceland.

 

[najaB]

But they don't want to clean the shellfish.

[Citation needed]

 

[21C101]

"NEW: If a referendum was held on EU membership, how would you vote?

Stay out: 46% (+4) Apply to join: 38% (-4)

via @Kantar_UKI, 25-29 Mar Changes w Feb 22"

https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1377568034777403392

 

[nlogax]

"NEW: If a referendum was held on EU membership, how would you vote?

Does it really matter? We're out. It's turning out to be as crap as expected, but barely anyone is proposing we return right now. If they were to do so this would be a spectacularly bad time to suggest it.

 

[najaB]

"NEW: If a referendum was held on EU membership, how would you vote?

Nobody is proposing such a referendum at the moment, there's been no campaigning for either side and the impacts of Brexit have been masked by the impact of Covid-19. Let's see what the figures are in five to ten years.

 

[21C101]

Does it really matter? We're out. It's turning out to be as crap as expected, but barely anyone is proposing we return right now. If they were to do so this would be a spectacularly bad time to suggest it.

Really? I would say things are going pretty well for the UK right now. Yes there is some spiteful working to rule by the EU in implementing some border ruies, but this no more than we have to put up with from French fishermans periodic blockades and, consequently we are rapidly funding other markets to both buy and sell from with countries that don't indulge in such bureaucratic pettiness as well as making supply chains more resilient.

Companies in many sectors are also now considering what facilities to keep in the EU and what to relocate to UK or Switzerland in the light of the EUs threats to confiscate vaccibe patenta and factories and disgraceful monstering of private vaccine companies

The EU needs to realise that it has a less bureacratic, more responsive, more business friendiy major competitor on their doorstep, who unlike them can amend, repeal or bring in legislation in as little as a day when neccesary.



If it was as "crap" as the dwindling band of remainers seem to think it is then that would be reflected in such opinion polls.

 

[najaB]

Really? I would say things are going pretty well for the UK right now.

There are Scottish fisherfolk and whisky producers, Welsh sheep farmers, Honda employees in Swindon, consumers in Northern Ireland and small businesses across the UK who would disagree...

But, rose tinted glasses and all that.

 

[Journeyman]

Really? I would say things are going pretty well for the UK right now. Yes there is some spiteful working to rule by the EU in implementing some border ruies, but this no more than we have to put up with from French fishermans periodic blockades and, consequently we are rapidly funding other markets to both buy and sell from with countries that don't indulge in such bureaucratic pettiness as well as making supply chains more resilient.

Companies in many sectors are also now considering what facilities to keep in the EU and what to relocate to UK or Switzerland in the light of the EUs threats to confiscate vaccibe patenta and factories and disgraceful monstering of private vaccine companies

The EU needs to realise that it has a less bureacratic, more responsive, more business friendiy major competitor on their doorstep, who unlike them can amend, repeal or bring in legislation in as little as a day when neccesary.



If it was as "crap" as the dwindling band of remainers seem to think it is then that would be reflected in such opinion polls.

All of your comments come across as extraordinarily ignorant, smug and xenophobic.

 

[VauxhallandI]

All of your comments come across as extraordinarily ignorant, smug and xenophobic.

It's like we need to issue a three inch plastic trophy to Brexiteers so they can go and polish it whilst the adults get on with it

 

[Journeyman]

It's like we need to issue a three inch plastic trophy to Brexiteers so they can go and polish it whilst the adults get on with it

Yup. I say this as a remainer who accepts defeat as well. It would be easier to deal with if the Brexiteers could stop their ignorant gloating for five minutes.

 

[nlogax]

Really? I would say things are going pretty well for the UK right now

Nothing I'd want to add to the other comments responding to yours. I'm in agreement with them all.

 

[birchesgreen]

Really? I would say things are going pretty well for the UK right now.

April fool day is over now, needed to post that before noon.

 

[davetheguard]

less bureacratic, more responsive, more business friendiy major competitor on their doorstep

So, the the 50,000 extra customs officers will make us a lot less bureaucratic will they? As for more business friendly, what were Johnson's words? F**k business.

 

[Journeyman]

So, the the 50,000 extra customs officers will make us a lot less bureaucratic will they? As for more business friendly, what were Johnson's words? F**k business.

I was reading just this morning of an innovative Scottish pet food and dog chew manufacturer that has created quite a few jobs in Ayrshire. Brexit has made their business so complicated and difficult that they're relocating to France.

 

[21C101]

Ah, hard cases.