Deleting Sunday GWR services to Brighton is absurd as they are always very busy.
They tend to be parallelled by Southern services in any case. It just meanss one extra change and a slightly longer journey.Deleting Sunday GWR services to Brighton is absurd as they are always very busy.
Deleting Sunday GWR services to Brighton is absurd as they are always very busy.
Out of interest, are these services popular with people travelling from west of Southampton to east of Havant? Or is it mostly people using them between stations on the route Southampton to Brighton?
The Southern trains are filling up rapidly on the south coast. 1108 off Barnham to Brighton was full from Shoreham by sea with many standing. Seaford to Brighton trains were also well loaded. By comparison, the four trains per hour south of Horsham are lightly loaded. Some juggling of units and crew is needed.They tend to be parallelled by Southern services in any case. It just meanss one extra change and a slightly longer journey.
I'd say perhaps an additional south coast express service (following the same pattern as GWR services, maybe even continuing east of Brighton?) is what's needed in an ideal world to help regulate the traffic flows a little bit.The Southern trains are filling up rapidly on the south coast. 1108 off Barnham to Brighton was full from Shoreham by sea with many standing. Seaford to Brighton trains were also well loaded. By comparison, the four trains per hour south of Horsham are lightly loaded. Some juggling of units and crew is needed.
The Southern trains are filling up rapidly on the south coast. 1108 off Barnham to Brighton was full from Shoreham by sea with many standing. Seaford to Brighton trains were also well loaded. By comparison, the four trains per hour south of Horsham are lightly loaded. Some juggling of units and crew is needed.
No, continuing east of Brighton is effectively the opposite of ideal, because the station throat layout is so restricted.I'd say perhaps an additional south coast express service (following the same pattern as GWR services, maybe even continuing east of Brighton?) is what's needed in an ideal world to help regulate the traffic flows a little bit.
Are they all running at maximim length ?
It used to be 8 carriages I think.
I've only ever known it to be single units from Brighton towards Havant, only doubles came from the Littlehampton - Hove - London trains.
I'm not sure how long the platforms are. Pairs of 313s might be possible on some routes. If there are crews available, running the Brighton to Worthing stoppers again would be a big help.I wonder if they've got any scope for having shorter London trains and longer Coastway ones !
I'm not sure how long the platforms are. Pairs of 313s might be possible on some routes. If there are crews available, running the Brighton to Worthing stoppers again would be a big help.
Perhaps a start would be to split the Portsmouth/Southampton and Bognor services up as they did with the Littlehampton and Eastbourne services, and have each of them run as 8-car minimum, then you'd get at least half of the services along that bit of the West Coastway Line doubled up. I appreciate that's easier said than done, but permanently scrapping GatEx would create an extra 2 paths that would allow for this, although it would still be a tight squeeze.I wonder if they've got any scope for having shorter London trains and longer Coastway ones !
I'm not sure how long the platforms are. Pairs of 313s might be possible on some routes. If there are crews available, running the Brighton to Worthing stoppers again would be a big help.
Perhaps a start would be to split the Portsmouth/Southampton and Bognor services up as they did with the Littlehampton and Eastbourne services, and have each of them run as 8-car minimum, then you'd get at least half of the services along that bit of the West Coastway Line doubled up. I appreciate that's easier said than done, but permanently scrapping GatEx would create an extra 2 paths that would allow for this, although it would still be a tight squeeze.
That doesn't really help with Brighton though does it. The suggestion was that the pressure is into Brighton rather than Portsmouth or Bognor.Perhaps a start would be to split the Portsmouth/Southampton and Bognor services up as they did with the Littlehampton and Eastbourne services, and have each of them run as 8-car minimum, then you'd get at least half of the services along that bit of the West Coastway Line doubled up. I appreciate that's easier said than done, but permanently scrapping GatEx would create an extra 2 paths that would allow for this, although it would still be a tight squeeze.
I'm not sure how long the platforms are. Pairs of 313s might be possible on some routes. If there are crews available, running the Brighton to Worthing stoppers again would be a big help.
Are they all 313s at the moment? I'd quite like to have a go on one to be honestWould be good to get those Brighton to Portsmouth services reverted to 377s instead of the bangers!
In those days the passenger opened and closed the doors themselves though. We've moved on, for better or worse.I do feel some sympathy for the railway being hydebound by not allowing longer trains than platforms where there are no grandfather rights (In my day it was up to passengers to check whether there was a platform outside your door anyway).
If the issue is overhanging the level crossing then SDO potentially increasing dwells isn't going to help the LX risk assessment.I wonder, if it's only a small number of stations, if there's a case for having local/guards door operation for those stops to allow longer trains.
In those days the passenger opened and closed the doors themselves though. We've moved on, for better or worse.
If the issue is overhanging the level crossing then SDO potentially increasing dwells isn't going to help the LX risk assessment.
Brighton-Seaford is almost always booked for a 313, if you're after one.Are they all 313s at the moment? I'd quite like to have a go on one to be honest
I believe so, at least Monday to Saturday off peak anyway.Are they all 313s at the moment? I'd quite like to have a go on one to be honest
And often as not affected curtailed due to engineering work anywhere along the route. Often diverted to/from Portsmouth, or do not run south of Westbury.Deleting Sunday GWR services to Brighton is absurd as they are always very busy.
The 0900/1000 Brighton to Portsmouth repeating every three hours are 313s on weekdays. The third diagram seems to be a 377.Are they all 313s at the moment? I'd quite like to have a go on one to be honest
Doesn't seem to be a problem at Littlehaven. We've gone from a few peak trains overhanging to every half hour all day every day. The daft thing is that it was lengthened from four to eight cars not long before the 12 car 700s appeared. Doh!In those days the passenger opened and closed the doors themselves though. We've moved on, for better or worse.
If the issue is overhanging the level crossing then SDO potentially increasing dwells isn't going to help the LX risk assessment.
It's not an insurmountable problem anywhere. Depends on the local circumstances, what the risk is and how it can be mitigated. However, I'm not involved in the assessments in any way so have no ideas about individual locations or how various factors are weighted in any way.Doesn't seem to be a problem at Littlehaven. We've gone from a few peak trains overhanging to every half hour all day every day. The daft thing is that it was lengthened from four to eight cars not long before the 12 car 700s appeared. Doh!